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I police that shit endlessly. I get I have not-normal expectations -- like, I HATE it when ANYTHING takes focus on its own -- but absolutely DO NOT make it hard

I police that shit endlessly. I get I have not-normal expectations -- like, I HATE it when ANYTHING takes focus on its own -- but absolutely DO NOT make it hard for me to quit your app. I don't use WebEx much, but its "Hey, I know you just tried to quit but don't you want me to hang out just in case" attitude makes me CRAZY. I'm a little confused by your reference to the "tray" on OSX tho. Where's the tray? We have a dock, and we have a menu bar where some things go, but no tray that I'm aware of.

mstipetic 6y ago
I super agree with you. By tray I mean the thing on top right with the icons for various apps. I guess it's the menu bar. What drives me crazy the most is I can see the context menu, for example for Webex, is disabled intentionally so we can't have the quit option there
- jackson1442 6y ago
  I don't personally use Webex, but have you tried option + clicking the icon in the menu bar? That's the generally accepted way to reveal more context (for example, doing this to the wifi icon reveals a lot more detail about your connection).
swiley 6y ago
I never deal with any of this sort of thing. People think I'm weird or must struggle with bad UIs for being picky and only using older FOSS apps but IME your life/UX is actually a lot better for it.
- alpaca128 6y ago
  Same. About two years ago I fully switched to Linux, and at some point this made me realise the full depth of all the Linux and OSS arguments when my perspective wasn't limited to Windows concepts anymore. By now I do almost everything in the terminal except for web browsing. And what can I say, I do not miss the popups, confusing menus, dark UI patterns, and all the other bad ideas.
reaperducer 6y ago
I HATE it when ANYTHING takes focus on its own This didn't used to be possible in MacOS X. When I switched from Windows, it was such a lovely surprise I considered it one of the best reasons to make the change. That didn't last. Maybe five years ago, something changed and MacOS allowed programs to hijack focus. I was so disappointed. Apple seems to be (very slowly) getting back to fundamentals. I wish reverting this change was part of that program.
- yowlingcat 6y ago
  > This didn't used to be possible in MacOS X. When I switched from Windows, it was such a lovely surprise I considered it one of the best reasons to make the change. Agreed. There's few seemingly "minor" things that can make me see bright red quite like this. It's such an actively hostile dark UX pattern. It should simply be made impossible.
unicornporn 6y ago
All this crap is why I'm currently considering Linux over macOS (which I'm currently on most of the time). In time, it might be the refuge for people suffering from computers and operating systems that wants to control rather than be controlled.

mstipetic 6y ago

I super agree with you. By tray I mean the thing on top right with the icons for various apps. I guess it's the menu bar. What drives me crazy the most is I can see the context menu, for example for Webex, is disabled intentionally so we can't have the quit option there

jackson1442 6y ago
I don't personally use Webex, but have you tried option + clicking the icon in the menu bar? That's the generally accepted way to reveal more context (for example, doing this to the wifi icon reveals a lot more detail about your connection).

swiley 6y ago

I never deal with any of this sort of thing. People think I'm weird or must struggle with bad UIs for being picky and only using older FOSS apps but IME your life/UX is actually a lot better for it.

alpaca128 6y ago
Same. About two years ago I fully switched to Linux, and at some point this made me realise the full depth of all the Linux and OSS arguments when my perspective wasn't limited to Windows concepts anymore. By now I do almost everything in the terminal except for web browsing. And what can I say, I do not miss the popups, confusing menus, dark UI patterns, and all the other bad ideas.

reaperducer 6y ago

I HATE it when ANYTHING takes focus on its own This didn't used to be possible in MacOS X. When I switched from Windows, it was such a lovely surprise I considered it one of the best reasons to make the change. That didn't last. Maybe five years ago, something changed and MacOS allowed programs to hijack focus. I was so disappointed. Apple seems to be (very slowly) getting back to fundamentals. I wish reverting this change was part of that program.

yowlingcat 6y ago
> This didn't used to be possible in MacOS X. When I switched from Windows, it was such a lovely surprise I considered it one of the best reasons to make the change. Agreed. There's few seemingly "minor" things that can make me see bright red quite like this. It's such an actively hostile dark UX pattern. It should simply be made impossible.

unicornporn 6y ago

All this crap is why I'm currently considering Linux over macOS (which I'm currently on most of the time). In time, it might be the refuge for people suffering from computers and operating systems that wants to control rather than be controlled.