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You said it yourself before you even started the list: OSX Apple are one of the biggest offenders of "Don't you dare do what you want with your device. We'll

You said it yourself before you even started the list: OSX Apple are one of the biggest offenders of "Don't you dare do what you want with your device. We'll tell you what you want to do" Unfortunately now OSX is going in the same direction of the users not owning their hardware/software as with iOS. And many users get sucked into it because it looks pretty

davweb 6y ago
If Adobe was good OSX citizen you could uninstall any of their apps by dragging them into the Trash. OSX has always been great for making it easy to uninstall apps. It's because they use a custom installer that dumps code all over the filesystem that makes Adobe apps are difficult to uninstall.
ubermonkey 6y ago
>Unfortunately now OSX is going in the same direction of the users not owning their hardware/software as with iOS FUD. The only restrictions on MacOS are reasonable defaults to prevent unsigned, non-app-store programs from running. Given that there are many more users like my 80 year old mother than there HN-types, this is FINE, since those settings are easy to turn off. Windows, btw, does the same thing on home versions -- except its "S Mode" is WAY more fiddly to get rid of, and once turned off cannot be turned back on.
xodice 6y ago
Not true in the slightest. You can disable (the sane IMO) defaults and run anything on macOS to your hearts desire. macOS is nothing like iOS WRT apps you can install and run. Turning off Gatekeeper is literally a single terminal command. (sudo spctl --master-disable)
- ChrisRR 6y ago
  And how many average computer users even know what a terminal is, let alone have ever used it
  - xodice 6y ago
    I personally think if you cannot run that simple command and don't know what Terminal.app is then the defaults are correct for you. For power users you can make macOS as open as you want is all I was getting at. Again, just my personal opinion.

davweb 6y ago

If Adobe was good OSX citizen you could uninstall any of their apps by dragging them into the Trash. OSX has always been great for making it easy to uninstall apps. It's because they use a custom installer that dumps code all over the filesystem that makes Adobe apps are difficult to uninstall.

ubermonkey 6y ago

>Unfortunately now OSX is going in the same direction of the users not owning their hardware/software as with iOS FUD. The only restrictions on MacOS are reasonable defaults to prevent unsigned, non-app-store programs from running. Given that there are many more users like my 80 year old mother than there HN-types, this is FINE, since those settings are easy to turn off. Windows, btw, does the same thing on home versions -- except its "S Mode" is WAY more fiddly to get rid of, and once turned off cannot be turned back on.

xodice 6y ago

Not true in the slightest. You can disable (the sane IMO) defaults and run anything on macOS to your hearts desire. macOS is nothing like iOS WRT apps you can install and run. Turning off Gatekeeper is literally a single terminal command. (sudo spctl --master-disable)

ChrisRR 6y ago
And how many average computer users even know what a terminal is, let alone have ever used it
- xodice 6y ago
  I personally think if you cannot run that simple command and don't know what Terminal.app is then the defaults are correct for you. For power users you can make macOS as open as you want is all I was getting at. Again, just my personal opinion.