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I don't know how we got to this state that we don't control our own basic processes and how they behave. Just off the top of my head right now on osx: can't sh

I don't know how we got to this state that we don't control our own basic processes and how they behave. Just off the top of my head right now on osx: can't shut down creative cloud app from the app bar, can't shut down webex, docker desktop regularly hijacks everything I'm doing (once when having a presentation in front of 100 people) to show there's an update, steam client jumping in the tray for hours unless I acknowledge there's an update, apps registering to be started on boot by themselves and having to go through a convoluted process to turn it off (if it even exists)...

mrweasel 6y ago
Can’t close Chrome either, because that will exit Google Chat as well.
Blikkentrekker 6y ago
> I don't know how we got to this state that we don't control our own basic processes and how they behave. If the system be designed such that the task of uninstalling lies with the program itself rather than some other program then one never really did. I understand this design not. I would assume that uninstalling the program means deleting some set of files and perhaps registry keys on Windows, or is there more to it?
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
It's one argument in favor of having the OS determine how software is in- and uninstalled, instead of delegating it to an application supplied by the developer. I mean in theory on Mac you can just remove the .app file. I would like the 'profile' files for an application to be a bit more obvious though, e.g. stored in /Users/<username>/Application Data/Adobe instead of the deeply nested and hidden-by-default Library folder.
- sbuk 6y ago
  There are apps like App Delete that help there. Once installed, it can detect an app in the trash and remove the hidden parts too. That said, it would be helpful if this was built in...
- user3939382 6y ago
  Yeah, Adobe actually sticks their numerous config files and background executables in about 6 different places in macOS, so true uninstall is only within reach of the technical and dedicated.
  - ubermonkey 6y ago
    That drives me batty, but they get away with it even on my machine because, well, they're Adobe. But I think even people like me with 15 years of pictures in Lightroom are seriously eyeing the door. I'd LOVE to find something I could use at trust as well, but I also have little time to search, and Adobe isn't annoying me QUITE enough yet. But they're already on the wrong side of the "delight/annoy" barrier, if you know what I mean.
    - dlkinney 6y ago
      If you're a power user, then I'd strongly recommend RawTherapee. It's more clunky than Lightroom, but its features are on par with or better than Lightroom, far as quality and choice. You'll probably have to spend some time playing with it to find your "look", but once you do, Lightroom can't come close. That said, it's missing a great organization/sorting workflow and painted adjustments, so if you rely on the latter or expect the former in your RAW processor, it might not be for you. A fantastic (commercial) alternative is CaptureOne. It's the Rolls Royce far as I'm concerned. Strongly recommend you stay away from Darktable, because it's close enough to Lightroom (but not as good) that you'll get frustrated. Hope this helps!
      - ubermonkey 6y ago
        If it’s bad for workflow and sorting, it’s a nonstarter for me.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  In theory you can remove the folder in Windows. It will leave crap behind but so will deleting .app on mac. Not much of a difference IMO. Both are broken by design.
  - ubermonkey 6y ago
    That's not quite true. If you delete an app from the app folder on a Mac, 99% of the time you'll get 100% of the binaries associated with the app. You'll leave behind inert configuration information in /Library and any relevant ~/Library folders, but that's all. On Windows, binaries end up strewn all over the place, including C:\Windows, which is one reason that C:\Windows grows inexorably over time (even under 10) if you frequently install and uninstall software, and the only approved-by-MSFT approach to shrinking it is a wipe and reinstall. Now, the Mac doesn't prevent installers from doing goofy stuff, or from dropping binaries more widely. VMWare, for example, does this, but VMWare is also doing something more elaborate than an Office app. Adobe does this, but that's Adobe being a jerk -- there's no technical reason they need to do it. And anyway, you can easily go into the folders in /Library & etc to zap the leftover stuff if you want -- there's no Registry or anything that would cry foul. It's just that most people don't bother.
    - RamRodification 6y ago
      > On Windows, binaries end up strewn all over the place, including C:\Windows, which is one reason that C:\Windows grows inexorably over time Are you sure about this? I mean I know for a fact that it happens but in my experience this is rare. I very much doubt that it's enough to make any real difference to the total size of the Windows folder. I PowerShell'ed through all exe-files and DLLs in C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System32 on my private computer ("188 programs installed" according to Control Panel) and I couldn't find anything that didn't look like Windows defaults (i.e. Microsoft stuff basically) or drivers (found lots of Intel, Logitech, etc. Some Apple).
      - ubermonkey 6y ago
        Yes. It's an ongoing problem. It has to do with how Windows manages something called Side by Side (usually SxS). We make Windows software. We install and uninstall a LOT. Windows folders on our text machines balloon to alarming sizes, at which point it's time for a new VM (or, if it's your laptop, it's time to wipe and start over).
lmilcin 6y ago
I no longer use Windows on any of my PCs. I have currently two instances that run as VMs. One dedicated solely for remote connection to my work. The company insists on software to scan that my PC is "secure", so I give them a finger with an almost virgin Windows install. Their crap can work only on Windows, so I don't actually have any choice. Another is for any application that I use that I absolutely can't find replacement for on Linux. I also have separate Linux VMs for suspect software like Zoom that I have to use but I don't trust to run on my machine or try to take over my desktop.
- vijaybritto 6y ago
  Do you run all of these VMs on linux?
  - lmilcin 6y ago
    Yes. I also have a bunch of other VMs. For example, I keep my toolchains for embedded development in separate VMs so that I can trust they still work years later when I need to do some quick correction to some project of mine. These have auto updates turned off. I hate when I want to quickly change something and program the device but first I have to investigate why the tool chain no longer works. Not all of these VMs are active at the same time. I usually have 2 or 3 VMs active, some paused and most turned off.
    - kstenerud 6y ago
      I do similar things. Everything I run is built on top of LXD or KVM so that it remains compatible across time and is not beholden to anything but the Linux kernel, with disk images backed up at key points of the installation process. All of the build scripts are housed at [1] and then I have a set of machine-specific scripts that leverage those to rebuild any of my virtual systems in a single command with no data loss. Press a button, walk away, and in half an hour I have a pristine system with everything I need installed and my data drive mounted. Any time I'm working on a machine that was set up non-deterministically, I feel vulnerable... [1] https://github.com/kstenerud/virtual-builders https://github.com/kstenerud/virtual-builders
Causality1 6y ago
It's a race to the bottom. The more idiot-proof electronics become, the more widely they can be adopted. How do you make something idiot-proof? You treat the users like idiots. The more idiot users you have, the smaller the fraction that actually give a damn about anything beyond whether it turns on and browses the internet.
keyle 6y ago
I can't imagine they don't have a meeting with 12 people around a huge table and no one says "but if we do X, we break Y". Isn't that being professional?
- pjc50 6y ago
  The sort of manager that wants to bully the users into not uninstalling the product is also the sort of manager to bully the developers into doing it, even if they know it will break things.
- pmlnr 6y ago
  If you do that, you'll be labelled with "negative attitude" on your next evaluation. Been there, done that, and it wasn't even at Adobe.
- dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
  Being professional stopped counting a long time ago - look at what Google, Microsoft, Apple and most other big companies are doing. People are afraid to update but have little choice.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 6y ago
Luckily I run Windows and experience no such issues. I'm in complete control of my computer. Downloaded a program to disable all spying and get rid of all annoyances with just one click of a button. You can't do that with Apple or Android.
- modo_mario 6y ago
  I'm not entirely sure if you're not being ironic or not but anyway. Windows has a habit of undoing such changes with seemingly random updates and kind of reaches a point where if you really want to get and keep complete control and keep up with the updates you end up doing more tweaking than a competent mainstream linux user has to fix up initial kinks like getting bluetooth to work with everything or running the occasional non-supported software.
  - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 6y ago
    I get updates every few months, after installing them I click the button in the program again, usually nothing changes, all my privacy settings remain intact. I understand you have been conditioned to think MS bad G$$gle good, but Windows gives you much more control and freedom than your Apple or G$$gle operating system.
    - modo_mario 6y ago
      >I understand you have been conditioned to think MS bad G$$gle good That's a lot of assumptions you're making there bud. >Windows gives you much more control and freedom than your Apple or G$$gle operating system. But I run Linux and Windows.
- ubermonkey 6y ago
  You've GOT to be joking.
ChrisRR 6y ago
You said it yourself before you even started the list: OSX Apple are one of the biggest offenders of "Don't you dare do what you want with your device. We'll tell you what you want to do" Unfortunately now OSX is going in the same direction of the users not owning their hardware/software as with iOS. And many users get sucked into it because it looks pretty
- davweb 6y ago
  If Adobe was good OSX citizen you could uninstall any of their apps by dragging them into the Trash. OSX has always been great for making it easy to uninstall apps. It's because they use a custom installer that dumps code all over the filesystem that makes Adobe apps are difficult to uninstall.
- ubermonkey 6y ago
  >Unfortunately now OSX is going in the same direction of the users not owning their hardware/software as with iOS FUD. The only restrictions on MacOS are reasonable defaults to prevent unsigned, non-app-store programs from running. Given that there are many more users like my 80 year old mother than there HN-types, this is FINE, since those settings are easy to turn off. Windows, btw, does the same thing on home versions -- except its "S Mode" is WAY more fiddly to get rid of, and once turned off cannot be turned back on.
- xodice 6y ago
  Not true in the slightest. You can disable (the sane IMO) defaults and run anything on macOS to your hearts desire. macOS is nothing like iOS WRT apps you can install and run. Turning off Gatekeeper is literally a single terminal command. (sudo spctl --master-disable)
  - ChrisRR 6y ago
    And how many average computer users even know what a terminal is, let alone have ever used it
    - 6y ago
whalesalad 6y ago
Honestly it sounds like you need to learn how to operate your machine. These are all really solvable problems. The process to eliminate items from startup is quite straightforward. You can do it in system preferences under your user startup items area - or wipe them from the CLI.
3np 6y ago
Maybe you should give serious thought to Linux. I am not missing OS X or Windows one bit.
- mstipetic 6y ago
  I'm really comfortable with Linux, but as I mentioned in another comment I find a lot of usability issues there as well, at least on laptops. Maybe I'm just getting burned out on computers, but I'm really considering going rms-style with a desktop computer, an e-ink display with i3wm and sticking to text-only. I really think we're regressing in terms of tech and ux and am finding it less and less tolerable. In my day to day I'm dealing with go, k8s, elixir, js, vue, various deployment and monitoring solutions, etc, I don't want to fight just to keep a baseline OS functionality uncluttered.
  - 3np 6y ago
    You don’t have to go full caveman. i3wm (I use xmonad), browser, terminal, and your favorite editor/IDE should do you good. You only have all this software bothering you because you chose it over alternatives. (OK there are some cases where choices are forced upon us but I don’t see those in your examples)
- unicornporn 6y ago
  But then you probably don't need the Creative Cloud apps for your daily work. That's the where the real challenge comes in.
  - 3np 6y ago
    True. If I did I’d run them in a VM (Qubes?) it a dedicated host.
jjoonathan 6y ago
There's a lot wrong with mobile, but one of the things they absolutely do right is giving you the tools to treat your apps like cattle. We need that on the desktop.
ubermonkey 6y ago
I police that shit endlessly. I get I have not-normal expectations -- like, I HATE it when ANYTHING takes focus on its own -- but absolutely DO NOT make it hard for me to quit your app. I don't use WebEx much, but its "Hey, I know you just tried to quit but don't you want me to hang out just in case" attitude makes me CRAZY. I'm a little confused by your reference to the "tray" on OSX tho. Where's the tray? We have a dock, and we have a menu bar where some things go, but no tray that I'm aware of.
- mstipetic 6y ago
  I super agree with you. By tray I mean the thing on top right with the icons for various apps. I guess it's the menu bar. What drives me crazy the most is I can see the context menu, for example for Webex, is disabled intentionally so we can't have the quit option there
  - jackson1442 6y ago
    I don't personally use Webex, but have you tried option + clicking the icon in the menu bar? That's the generally accepted way to reveal more context (for example, doing this to the wifi icon reveals a lot more detail about your connection).
- swiley 6y ago
  I never deal with any of this sort of thing. People think I'm weird or must struggle with bad UIs for being picky and only using older FOSS apps but IME your life/UX is actually a lot better for it.
  - alpaca128 6y ago
    Same. About two years ago I fully switched to Linux, and at some point this made me realise the full depth of all the Linux and OSS arguments when my perspective wasn't limited to Windows concepts anymore. By now I do almost everything in the terminal except for web browsing. And what can I say, I do not miss the popups, confusing menus, dark UI patterns, and all the other bad ideas.
Pxtl 6y ago
How many times have people typed passwords into something dreadfully insecure because of a focus stolen at an inopportune time?
1MachineElf 6y ago
I wish I had this capability on my Android phone. There are utilities like SuperFreezZ to force background apps to close, but the fact that one is necessary is an indicator that the OS itself is not designed for a user to control what is happening in the background.

mrweasel 6y ago

Can’t close Chrome either, because that will exit Google Chat as well.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago

> I don't know how we got to this state that we don't control our own basic processes and how they behave. If the system be designed such that the task of uninstalling lies with the program itself rather than some other program then one never really did. I understand this design not. I would assume that uninstalling the program means deleting some set of files and perhaps registry keys on Windows, or is there more to it?

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

It's one argument in favor of having the OS determine how software is in- and uninstalled, instead of delegating it to an application supplied by the developer. I mean in theory on Mac you can just remove the .app file. I would like the 'profile' files for an application to be a bit more obvious though, e.g. stored in /Users/<username>/Application Data/Adobe instead of the deeply nested and hidden-by-default Library folder.

sbuk 6y ago
There are apps like App Delete that help there. Once installed, it can detect an app in the trash and remove the hidden parts too. That said, it would be helpful if this was built in...
user3939382 6y ago
Yeah, Adobe actually sticks their numerous config files and background executables in about 6 different places in macOS, so true uninstall is only within reach of the technical and dedicated.
- ubermonkey 6y ago
  That drives me batty, but they get away with it even on my machine because, well, they're Adobe. But I think even people like me with 15 years of pictures in Lightroom are seriously eyeing the door. I'd LOVE to find something I could use at trust as well, but I also have little time to search, and Adobe isn't annoying me QUITE enough yet. But they're already on the wrong side of the "delight/annoy" barrier, if you know what I mean.
  - dlkinney 6y ago
    If you're a power user, then I'd strongly recommend RawTherapee. It's more clunky than Lightroom, but its features are on par with or better than Lightroom, far as quality and choice. You'll probably have to spend some time playing with it to find your "look", but once you do, Lightroom can't come close. That said, it's missing a great organization/sorting workflow and painted adjustments, so if you rely on the latter or expect the former in your RAW processor, it might not be for you. A fantastic (commercial) alternative is CaptureOne. It's the Rolls Royce far as I'm concerned. Strongly recommend you stay away from Darktable, because it's close enough to Lightroom (but not as good) that you'll get frustrated. Hope this helps!
    - ubermonkey 6y ago
      If it’s bad for workflow and sorting, it’s a nonstarter for me.
Daho0n 6y ago
In theory you can remove the folder in Windows. It will leave crap behind but so will deleting .app on mac. Not much of a difference IMO. Both are broken by design.
- ubermonkey 6y ago
  That's not quite true. If you delete an app from the app folder on a Mac, 99% of the time you'll get 100% of the binaries associated with the app. You'll leave behind inert configuration information in /Library and any relevant ~/Library folders, but that's all. On Windows, binaries end up strewn all over the place, including C:\Windows, which is one reason that C:\Windows grows inexorably over time (even under 10) if you frequently install and uninstall software, and the only approved-by-MSFT approach to shrinking it is a wipe and reinstall. Now, the Mac doesn't prevent installers from doing goofy stuff, or from dropping binaries more widely. VMWare, for example, does this, but VMWare is also doing something more elaborate than an Office app. Adobe does this, but that's Adobe being a jerk -- there's no technical reason they need to do it. And anyway, you can easily go into the folders in /Library & etc to zap the leftover stuff if you want -- there's no Registry or anything that would cry foul. It's just that most people don't bother.
  - RamRodification 6y ago
    > On Windows, binaries end up strewn all over the place, including C:\Windows, which is one reason that C:\Windows grows inexorably over time Are you sure about this? I mean I know for a fact that it happens but in my experience this is rare. I very much doubt that it's enough to make any real difference to the total size of the Windows folder. I PowerShell'ed through all exe-files and DLLs in C:\Windows and C:\Windows\System32 on my private computer ("188 programs installed" according to Control Panel) and I couldn't find anything that didn't look like Windows defaults (i.e. Microsoft stuff basically) or drivers (found lots of Intel, Logitech, etc. Some Apple).
    - ubermonkey 6y ago
      Yes. It's an ongoing problem. It has to do with how Windows manages something called Side by Side (usually SxS). We make Windows software. We install and uninstall a LOT. Windows folders on our text machines balloon to alarming sizes, at which point it's time for a new VM (or, if it's your laptop, it's time to wipe and start over).

lmilcin 6y ago

I no longer use Windows on any of my PCs. I have currently two instances that run as VMs. One dedicated solely for remote connection to my work. The company insists on software to scan that my PC is "secure", so I give them a finger with an almost virgin Windows install. Their crap can work only on Windows, so I don't actually have any choice. Another is for any application that I use that I absolutely can't find replacement for on Linux. I also have separate Linux VMs for suspect software like Zoom that I have to use but I don't trust to run on my machine or try to take over my desktop.

vijaybritto 6y ago
Do you run all of these VMs on linux?
- lmilcin 6y ago
  Yes. I also have a bunch of other VMs. For example, I keep my toolchains for embedded development in separate VMs so that I can trust they still work years later when I need to do some quick correction to some project of mine. These have auto updates turned off. I hate when I want to quickly change something and program the device but first I have to investigate why the tool chain no longer works. Not all of these VMs are active at the same time. I usually have 2 or 3 VMs active, some paused and most turned off.
  - kstenerud 6y ago
    I do similar things. Everything I run is built on top of LXD or KVM so that it remains compatible across time and is not beholden to anything but the Linux kernel, with disk images backed up at key points of the installation process. All of the build scripts are housed at [1] and then I have a set of machine-specific scripts that leverage those to rebuild any of my virtual systems in a single command with no data loss. Press a button, walk away, and in half an hour I have a pristine system with everything I need installed and my data drive mounted. Any time I'm working on a machine that was set up non-deterministically, I feel vulnerable... [1] https://github.com/kstenerud/virtual-builders https://github.com/kstenerud/virtual-builders

Causality1 6y ago

It's a race to the bottom. The more idiot-proof electronics become, the more widely they can be adopted. How do you make something idiot-proof? You treat the users like idiots. The more idiot users you have, the smaller the fraction that actually give a damn about anything beyond whether it turns on and browses the internet.

keyle 6y ago

I can't imagine they don't have a meeting with 12 people around a huge table and no one says "but if we do X, we break Y". Isn't that being professional?

pjc50 6y ago
The sort of manager that wants to bully the users into not uninstalling the product is also the sort of manager to bully the developers into doing it, even if they know it will break things.
pmlnr 6y ago
If you do that, you'll be labelled with "negative attitude" on your next evaluation. Been there, done that, and it wasn't even at Adobe.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
Being professional stopped counting a long time ago - look at what Google, Microsoft, Apple and most other big companies are doing. People are afraid to update but have little choice.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 6y ago

Luckily I run Windows and experience no such issues. I'm in complete control of my computer. Downloaded a program to disable all spying and get rid of all annoyances with just one click of a button. You can't do that with Apple or Android.

modo_mario 6y ago
I'm not entirely sure if you're not being ironic or not but anyway. Windows has a habit of undoing such changes with seemingly random updates and kind of reaches a point where if you really want to get and keep complete control and keep up with the updates you end up doing more tweaking than a competent mainstream linux user has to fix up initial kinks like getting bluetooth to work with everything or running the occasional non-supported software.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 6y ago
  I get updates every few months, after installing them I click the button in the program again, usually nothing changes, all my privacy settings remain intact. I understand you have been conditioned to think MS bad G$$gle good, but Windows gives you much more control and freedom than your Apple or G$$gle operating system.
  - modo_mario 6y ago
    >I understand you have been conditioned to think MS bad G$$gle good That's a lot of assumptions you're making there bud. >Windows gives you much more control and freedom than your Apple or G$$gle operating system. But I run Linux and Windows.
ubermonkey 6y ago
You've GOT to be joking.

ChrisRR 6y ago

You said it yourself before you even started the list: OSX Apple are one of the biggest offenders of "Don't you dare do what you want with your device. We'll tell you what you want to do" Unfortunately now OSX is going in the same direction of the users not owning their hardware/software as with iOS. And many users get sucked into it because it looks pretty

davweb 6y ago
If Adobe was good OSX citizen you could uninstall any of their apps by dragging them into the Trash. OSX has always been great for making it easy to uninstall apps. It's because they use a custom installer that dumps code all over the filesystem that makes Adobe apps are difficult to uninstall.
ubermonkey 6y ago
>Unfortunately now OSX is going in the same direction of the users not owning their hardware/software as with iOS FUD. The only restrictions on MacOS are reasonable defaults to prevent unsigned, non-app-store programs from running. Given that there are many more users like my 80 year old mother than there HN-types, this is FINE, since those settings are easy to turn off. Windows, btw, does the same thing on home versions -- except its "S Mode" is WAY more fiddly to get rid of, and once turned off cannot be turned back on.
xodice 6y ago
Not true in the slightest. You can disable (the sane IMO) defaults and run anything on macOS to your hearts desire. macOS is nothing like iOS WRT apps you can install and run. Turning off Gatekeeper is literally a single terminal command. (sudo spctl --master-disable)
- ChrisRR 6y ago
  And how many average computer users even know what a terminal is, let alone have ever used it
  - 6y ago

whalesalad 6y ago

Honestly it sounds like you need to learn how to operate your machine. These are all really solvable problems. The process to eliminate items from startup is quite straightforward. You can do it in system preferences under your user startup items area - or wipe them from the CLI.

3np 6y ago

Maybe you should give serious thought to Linux. I am not missing OS X or Windows one bit.

mstipetic 6y ago
I'm really comfortable with Linux, but as I mentioned in another comment I find a lot of usability issues there as well, at least on laptops. Maybe I'm just getting burned out on computers, but I'm really considering going rms-style with a desktop computer, an e-ink display with i3wm and sticking to text-only. I really think we're regressing in terms of tech and ux and am finding it less and less tolerable. In my day to day I'm dealing with go, k8s, elixir, js, vue, various deployment and monitoring solutions, etc, I don't want to fight just to keep a baseline OS functionality uncluttered.
- 3np 6y ago
  You don’t have to go full caveman. i3wm (I use xmonad), browser, terminal, and your favorite editor/IDE should do you good. You only have all this software bothering you because you chose it over alternatives. (OK there are some cases where choices are forced upon us but I don’t see those in your examples)
unicornporn 6y ago
But then you probably don't need the Creative Cloud apps for your daily work. That's the where the real challenge comes in.
- 3np 6y ago
  True. If I did I’d run them in a VM (Qubes?) it a dedicated host.

jjoonathan 6y ago

There's a lot wrong with mobile, but one of the things they absolutely do right is giving you the tools to treat your apps like cattle. We need that on the desktop.

ubermonkey 6y ago

I police that shit endlessly. I get I have not-normal expectations -- like, I HATE it when ANYTHING takes focus on its own -- but absolutely DO NOT make it hard for me to quit your app. I don't use WebEx much, but its "Hey, I know you just tried to quit but don't you want me to hang out just in case" attitude makes me CRAZY. I'm a little confused by your reference to the "tray" on OSX tho. Where's the tray? We have a dock, and we have a menu bar where some things go, but no tray that I'm aware of.

mstipetic 6y ago
I super agree with you. By tray I mean the thing on top right with the icons for various apps. I guess it's the menu bar. What drives me crazy the most is I can see the context menu, for example for Webex, is disabled intentionally so we can't have the quit option there
- jackson1442 6y ago
  I don't personally use Webex, but have you tried option + clicking the icon in the menu bar? That's the generally accepted way to reveal more context (for example, doing this to the wifi icon reveals a lot more detail about your connection).
swiley 6y ago
I never deal with any of this sort of thing. People think I'm weird or must struggle with bad UIs for being picky and only using older FOSS apps but IME your life/UX is actually a lot better for it.
- alpaca128 6y ago
  Same. About two years ago I fully switched to Linux, and at some point this made me realise the full depth of all the Linux and OSS arguments when my perspective wasn't limited to Windows concepts anymore. By now I do almost everything in the terminal except for web browsing. And what can I say, I do not miss the popups, confusing menus, dark UI patterns, and all the other bad ideas.

Pxtl 6y ago

How many times have people typed passwords into something dreadfully insecure because of a focus stolen at an inopportune time?

1MachineElf 6y ago

I wish I had this capability on my Android phone. There are utilities like SuperFreezZ to force background apps to close, but the fact that one is necessary is an indicator that the OS itself is not designed for a user to control what is happening in the background.