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X11 problem. Wayland fixes that and is the default on Fedora etc. as of 2021.

by pojntfx 6y ago

krick 6y ago
Oh, so Wayland is finally ready to replace X11?
- canofbars 6y ago
  Whether wayland is ready for you basically comes down to 2 questions: * Do you use a nvidia GPU * Do you need to screen share from electron or other x11 only applications (MS teams, etc) Its ready if you said no to both of those.
  - bionade24 6y ago
    You can use MS teams in Chromium or Firefox. The secret is that Browsers disable 3rd Party cookies per default for a year now or so and Microsoft has not reacted to it yet.
  - xorcist 6y ago
    > Do you need to screen share from electron or other x11 only applications Doesn't XWayland solve this?
    - YtvwlD 6y ago
      No.
    - vetinari 6y ago
      No, but Pipewire does, and it works under both X11 and Wayland. Firefox supports Pipewire, Chrome has it behind experimental flag. Electron apps like Skype or Teams? Forget it.
  - gspr 6y ago
    Screen sharing of X11 windows from a Firefox running on Wayland works fine for me under Sway. Sharing of other Wayland windows, or the whole screen, however, does not.
  - wilsonthewhale 6y ago
    I tried plasma-wayland on Arch a couple days ago. Log in, open firefox. Minimize the window, and the entire machine freezes. This is on an AMD GPU as well. Every time I try Wayland, whether it be sway on my laptop or plasma on my desktop, I run into snags that did not exist in X. So back to X I go. I'll switch to Wayland when it's ready "for real, actually, promise", and not a moment before. Maybe when Debian Stable switches to it by default.
    - cycloptic 6y ago
      Unfortunately the KDE wayland session is still somewhat unstable. GNOME's wayland session is farther along in this regard.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    Won't it be ready when X11 apps can run inside without issue? X servers on Windows don't have these sort of problems.
  - casept 6y ago
    The screensharing can be worked around by building a somewhat hacky solution (recording the desktop to an XWayland window and sharing that, for example by using https://gitlab.com/lelgenio/dotfiles/-/blob/master/dotfiles/scripts/sway-screenshare https://gitlab.com/lelgenio/dotfiles/-/blob/master/dotfiles/...).

X11 problem. Wayland fixes that and is the default on Fedora etc. as of 2021.

krick 6y ago

Oh, so Wayland is finally ready to replace X11?

canofbars 6y ago
Whether wayland is ready for you basically comes down to 2 questions: * Do you use a nvidia GPU * Do you need to screen share from electron or other x11 only applications (MS teams, etc) Its ready if you said no to both of those.
- bionade24 6y ago
  You can use MS teams in Chromium or Firefox. The secret is that Browsers disable 3rd Party cookies per default for a year now or so and Microsoft has not reacted to it yet.
- xorcist 6y ago
  > Do you need to screen share from electron or other x11 only applications Doesn't XWayland solve this?
  - YtvwlD 6y ago
    No.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    No, but Pipewire does, and it works under both X11 and Wayland. Firefox supports Pipewire, Chrome has it behind experimental flag. Electron apps like Skype or Teams? Forget it.
- gspr 6y ago
  Screen sharing of X11 windows from a Firefox running on Wayland works fine for me under Sway. Sharing of other Wayland windows, or the whole screen, however, does not.
- wilsonthewhale 6y ago
  I tried plasma-wayland on Arch a couple days ago. Log in, open firefox. Minimize the window, and the entire machine freezes. This is on an AMD GPU as well. Every time I try Wayland, whether it be sway on my laptop or plasma on my desktop, I run into snags that did not exist in X. So back to X I go. I'll switch to Wayland when it's ready "for real, actually, promise", and not a moment before. Maybe when Debian Stable switches to it by default.
  - cycloptic 6y ago
    Unfortunately the KDE wayland session is still somewhat unstable. GNOME's wayland session is farther along in this regard.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  Won't it be ready when X11 apps can run inside without issue? X servers on Windows don't have these sort of problems.
- casept 6y ago
  The screensharing can be worked around by building a somewhat hacky solution (recording the desktop to an XWayland window and sharing that, for example by using https://gitlab.com/lelgenio/dotfiles/-/blob/master/dotfiles/scripts/sway-screenshare https://gitlab.com/lelgenio/dotfiles/-/blob/master/dotfiles/...).