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It seems like most of the complaints I see about distros have actually been solved problems for years but held back by poor distro defaults. I have been recomm

It seems like most of the complaints I see about distros have actually been solved problems for years but held back by poor distro defaults. I have been recommending fedora to people for a while because their defaults are far more modern and sane rather than clinging on to python 2 and X11

bionade24 6y ago
But then you are breaking enterprise stuff !!!1!11!
- canofbars 6y ago
  My favourite moment was when fedora turned on CGroups v2 after every distro waited years for docker to update to it. Docker was broken on fedora until you manually turned v1 back on but then docker suddenly upgraded to support v2.
josefx 6y ago
Other commenters link to similar issues with Wayland screen lockers. So I am not sure how the current shiny fixes things. > python 2 In contrast to Wayland that can be installed in parallel to python 3. So the only reason to remove it is if you enjoy breaking working software.
- canofbars 6y ago
  Its not that they still had python 2, its that the binary "python" referred to python 2 on ubuntu (it might even still be like this) while other distros had it pointed to python 3.
  - josefx 6y ago
    Given that python versions are incompatible by design you should probably explicitly refer to the version your code supports. At least that is my takeaway from this mess.
    - stretchcat 6y ago
      This whole situation is a bad trap for novices, given how many tutorials, class slides, etc ask students to copy/paste various invocations of pip and python that may or may not work verbatim on their distro.
      - moistbar 6y ago
        Breaking stuff is the first step towards learning to fix stuff.
  - eznzt 6y ago
    It's complicated: https://lwn.net/Articles/780737/ https://lwn.net/Articles/780737/
- seba_dos1 6y ago
  The difference is that with Wayland there are no design issues that prevent you from implementing it reliably and securely; if it's broken it's an implementation problem that can be fixed. Also: > In contrast to Wayland I don't think Wayland is what you think it is.

bionade24 6y ago

But then you are breaking enterprise stuff !!!1!11!

canofbars 6y ago
My favourite moment was when fedora turned on CGroups v2 after every distro waited years for docker to update to it. Docker was broken on fedora until you manually turned v1 back on but then docker suddenly upgraded to support v2.

josefx 6y ago

Other commenters link to similar issues with Wayland screen lockers. So I am not sure how the current shiny fixes things. > python 2 In contrast to Wayland that can be installed in parallel to python 3. So the only reason to remove it is if you enjoy breaking working software.

canofbars 6y ago
Its not that they still had python 2, its that the binary "python" referred to python 2 on ubuntu (it might even still be like this) while other distros had it pointed to python 3.
- josefx 6y ago
  Given that python versions are incompatible by design you should probably explicitly refer to the version your code supports. At least that is my takeaway from this mess.
  - stretchcat 6y ago
    This whole situation is a bad trap for novices, given how many tutorials, class slides, etc ask students to copy/paste various invocations of pip and python that may or may not work verbatim on their distro.
    - moistbar 6y ago
      Breaking stuff is the first step towards learning to fix stuff.
- eznzt 6y ago
  It's complicated: https://lwn.net/Articles/780737/ https://lwn.net/Articles/780737/
seba_dos1 6y ago
The difference is that with Wayland there are no design issues that prevent you from implementing it reliably and securely; if it's broken it's an implementation problem that can be fixed. Also: > In contrast to Wayland I don't think Wayland is what you think it is.