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> The government monitors social media as well for grievances. I personally know people whose parents were stupid enough to go for such "anonymous grievance bo

> The government monitors social media as well for grievances. I personally know people whose parents were stupid enough to go for such "anonymous grievance boxes" just to get a knock on the door from district committee enforcers the next day. You don't seem to know anything about modern China if you don't even know that. > After all, 2 generations ago the Chinese were dirt-poor. When I was born, food rationing still existed! > mainland Chinese value unity, face, action over talk and freedom from poverty If Beijing ever cared about freedom from poverty, China wouldn't be so poor as a result of its actions. And I am not talking about Mao era here, but very much modern day. > China is not interested in exporting its governance model. It has never done that. > It's not in their interest to change others' governance model. Then, why it is doing it? Beijing sent armed Maoists to Naxalite insurgency, Indonesian Maoist insurgency, Malaysian Maoist insurgency, Singapore coup attempt, North Korea, Nepal, Burma, Laos, Campuchia, Sri Lanka, and ~10 African countries? A solid record by any measure.

dang 6y ago
Please don't cross into nationalistic flamewar. I respect and am grateful for how much your HN comments have improved over the years, in terms of sticking to the intended use of the site. And I'm aware that you know a lot about these topics. But your posts in this thread are sliding back into the sort of pattern we're trying to avoid here. Please go the other way. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
FooBarWidget 6y ago
> I personally know people whose parents were stupid enough to go for such "anonymous grievance boxes" just to get a knock on the door from district committee enforcers the next day. Okay, do tell. I'm being genuine here. If those boxes are anonymous, why do they know who sent it? What were the grievances? Why would they get in trouble? What did the district committee enforces actually do? How long ago was this? > If Beijing ever cared about freedom from poverty, China wouldn't be so poor as a result of its actions. > Then, why it is doing it? That's a long list, let me go into a few. North Korea is not an example of China exporting its governance model. If North Korea actually follows China's governance model it would be far more open than it is today. What happened is that during the Vietnam war, China allied with North Korea to prevent the Americans from setting up a base at the Chinese border. That's not "exporting governance model". Naxalite: where's the evidence that this insurgency is supported by China. Just because they're Maoist doesn't mean China did this. What do African countries have to do with this? Are you talking about this "debt trap" thing? China doesn't want African countries to default. China has even provided debt relief this year, without asking for anything in return. China hasn't fired a bullet across its borders for over 30 years. That's more than I can say about the current hegemon.

dang 6y ago

Please don't cross into nationalistic flamewar. I respect and am grateful for how much your HN comments have improved over the years, in terms of sticking to the intended use of the site. And I'm aware that you know a lot about these topics. But your posts in this thread are sliding back into the sort of pattern we're trying to avoid here. Please go the other way. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

FooBarWidget 6y ago

> I personally know people whose parents were stupid enough to go for such "anonymous grievance boxes" just to get a knock on the door from district committee enforcers the next day. Okay, do tell. I'm being genuine here. If those boxes are anonymous, why do they know who sent it? What were the grievances? Why would they get in trouble? What did the district committee enforces actually do? How long ago was this? > If Beijing ever cared about freedom from poverty, China wouldn't be so poor as a result of its actions. > Then, why it is doing it? That's a long list, let me go into a few. North Korea is not an example of China exporting its governance model. If North Korea actually follows China's governance model it would be far more open than it is today. What happened is that during the Vietnam war, China allied with North Korea to prevent the Americans from setting up a base at the Chinese border. That's not "exporting governance model". Naxalite: where's the evidence that this insurgency is supported by China. Just because they're Maoist doesn't mean China did this. What do African countries have to do with this? Are you talking about this "debt trap" thing? China doesn't want African countries to default. China has even provided debt relief this year, without asking for anything in return. China hasn't fired a bullet across its borders for over 30 years. That's more than I can say about the current hegemon.