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i mean that's the point isn't it, in all the news about jack ma's disappearance, has any journalist tried to clarify the matter? NO, it's all speculation and jo

i mean that's the point isn't it, in all the news about jack ma's disappearance, has any journalist tried to clarify the matter? NO, it's all speculation and journalists trying to create a narrative. So, jack ma has only disappeared in this magical world created by western media.

Chris2048 6y ago
> has any journalist tried to clarify the matter? NO So, do you think no journalist in the world has tried to clarify the matter; or no journalist in the world is able to clarify the matter? > jack ma has only disappeared in this magical world created by western media ok, so what does the world of Eastern/Chinese media say?
- FooBarWidget 6y ago
  Journalists could certainly do a much better job with the data already available. For example, there's the actual underlying financial issue: the way Ant Group handled money is very risky, but they want to be regulated as a tech company instead of as a financial institution. This has the potential to cause a huge financial bubble. Even if there's some merit to the accusation that Jack Ma got into trouble for criticizing, I think the regulatory issue at least deserves some investigation, or explanation. But very few journalists chose to cover this; pretty much everybody went all-in on the "Jack Ma got into trouble" angle.
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    If we are talking about the disappearance, I think the issues you describe are separate from the issue of whether Ma was being involuntarily detained. And that is the question - "Ma got into trouble" could mean a lot of things.
    - FooBarWidget 6y ago
      Even if it's separate, does that warrant a near-complete lack of interest in the other issues, which are at least strongly related, even if it's just to provide context? I think it's quite irresponsible to cover things from a single angle only, which paints a caricature.
      - Chris2048 6y ago
        I'm not sure there is a lack of interest in the financial issue in general; but why do you say it's strongly related, or relevant context? Why would regulatory/financial issues with Ant be related to Mas apparent disappearance?
        FooBarWidget 6y ago
        Here are some possibilities based on my limited knowledge of the topic: * Because being involved with a "scandal" in such a way is an embarrassment to Jack Ma. He lost face and is ashamed to see people for a while. This is a much bigger cultural issue in China than in the west. He wants emotions around him to die down a bit. * The regulators were asleep. Or maybe there was corruption, and an IPO which should have been stopped, almost wasn't, until Jack woke up sleeping dogs. Maybe a few people in the regulatory body have been sacked for not pulling the brakes earlier. I believe that if Ant didn't actually violated regulatory concerns, that Jack Ma would've been in a lot less trouble. I honestly can't see how they aren't strongly related, or how such things aren't equally interesting. It's like reporting "Trump got in trouble with the tax authority after having insulted the tax authority boss" (implying that the tax authority is "evil" and merely bullying Trump), without covering whether the tax authority actually found tax crimes that Trump is guilty of.
        Chris2048 6y ago
        If by "Trump got in trouble" you mean he went missing, that would be a separate issue, yes. For a public CEO to choose to not reappear amid rumours that he is missing would be an issue in itself.

Chris2048 6y ago

> has any journalist tried to clarify the matter? NO So, do you think no journalist in the world has tried to clarify the matter; or no journalist in the world is able to clarify the matter? > jack ma has only disappeared in this magical world created by western media ok, so what does the world of Eastern/Chinese media say?

FooBarWidget 6y ago
Journalists could certainly do a much better job with the data already available. For example, there's the actual underlying financial issue: the way Ant Group handled money is very risky, but they want to be regulated as a tech company instead of as a financial institution. This has the potential to cause a huge financial bubble. Even if there's some merit to the accusation that Jack Ma got into trouble for criticizing, I think the regulatory issue at least deserves some investigation, or explanation. But very few journalists chose to cover this; pretty much everybody went all-in on the "Jack Ma got into trouble" angle.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  If we are talking about the disappearance, I think the issues you describe are separate from the issue of whether Ma was being involuntarily detained. And that is the question - "Ma got into trouble" could mean a lot of things.
  - FooBarWidget 6y ago
    Even if it's separate, does that warrant a near-complete lack of interest in the other issues, which are at least strongly related, even if it's just to provide context? I think it's quite irresponsible to cover things from a single angle only, which paints a caricature.
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      I'm not sure there is a lack of interest in the financial issue in general; but why do you say it's strongly related, or relevant context? Why would regulatory/financial issues with Ant be related to Mas apparent disappearance?
      - FooBarWidget 6y ago
        Here are some possibilities based on my limited knowledge of the topic: * Because being involved with a "scandal" in such a way is an embarrassment to Jack Ma. He lost face and is ashamed to see people for a while. This is a much bigger cultural issue in China than in the west. He wants emotions around him to die down a bit. * The regulators were asleep. Or maybe there was corruption, and an IPO which should have been stopped, almost wasn't, until Jack woke up sleeping dogs. Maybe a few people in the regulatory body have been sacked for not pulling the brakes earlier. I believe that if Ant didn't actually violated regulatory concerns, that Jack Ma would've been in a lot less trouble. I honestly can't see how they aren't strongly related, or how such things aren't equally interesting. It's like reporting "Trump got in trouble with the tax authority after having insulted the tax authority boss" (implying that the tax authority is "evil" and merely bullying Trump), without covering whether the tax authority actually found tax crimes that Trump is guilty of.
        Chris2048 6y ago
        If by "Trump got in trouble" you mean he went missing, that would be a separate issue, yes. For a public CEO to choose to not reappear amid rumours that he is missing would be an issue in itself.