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If I was holding Jack Ma in captivity, I would definitely ask him to do this just for the benefits of doing insider trading on his appearances

coldtea 6y ago
If you had the power to hold Jack Ma in captivity, you'd have 1000 other ways to do insider trading, or even bigger access to the market...
- TameAntelope 6y ago
  Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful".
  - coldtea 6y ago
    If the "anyone else" is a billionaire, then, yes, you do, even to get access to them to point the gun, bypass the guards, abduct them, and keep them. And we're talking about state-level actors here doing the holding, not some random nobody with a gun. Those don't have any need for "insider trading".
    - TameAntelope 6y ago
      You're talking about state-level actors, not me. My point is that it doesn't have to be the Chinese government (though it probably is, if he's being held and isn't just in hiding).
  - xdavidliu 6y ago
    This is certainly not true if the "anyone else" is Jack Ma. If I gave you gun, and asked you to "hold" Jeff Bezos, you would certainly not be able to do it.
    - TameAntelope 6y ago
      Where am I? Where is Bezos? What are the additional hypothetical details of this scenario? Do I know how to use a gun in this scenario (I do not IRL)? I've only met one billionaire, but he was definitely not guarded by anyone, and had I the inclination, skills, and firepower, I could have easily taken him at gunpoint. I don't accept the notion that Jack Ma is guarded 100% of the time, that's movie fiction.
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      - eloff 6y ago
        Many billionaires, famous people, and ex-leaders of countries have bodyguards when they go out in public. Bezos has bodyguards. Some billionaires are relatively unknown, so maybe they get away without needing that.
      - xdavidliu 6y ago
        > Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful". > had I the inclination, skills, and firepower That's a very big "had I", and certainly not "anyone with a gun" as you said previously. Let me put it this way: suppose you're Bezos or Jack Ma and had access to unimaginable resources, comfort, and security from the best of the best. Surely it would be absolutely trivial to hire someone so that the vast, vast, majority of people with guns wouldn't be able to get to you, no matter how hard they tried, even _with_ so-called inclination and skills? I'm not even referring to having guard detail around them all the time; when you're that important and hundreds of billions of market cap depends on your very existence, their entire schedules will be mapped down to the smallest detail to minimize risk of harm to them, since if they were to get kidnapped, it would immediately wipe billions off the stock price. Do you really think that the only reason Bezos hasn't been captured is because ordinary people with guns just chose not to do so, and if anyone wanted, they could just kidnap Bezos easily? What percent of ordinary people like you or I have "skills" and "inclination" that can beat that hired by Bezos' billions?
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coldtea 6y ago

If you had the power to hold Jack Ma in captivity, you'd have 1000 other ways to do insider trading, or even bigger access to the market...

TameAntelope 6y ago
Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful".
- coldtea 6y ago
  If the "anyone else" is a billionaire, then, yes, you do, even to get access to them to point the gun, bypass the guards, abduct them, and keep them. And we're talking about state-level actors here doing the holding, not some random nobody with a gun. Those don't have any need for "insider trading".
  - TameAntelope 6y ago
    You're talking about state-level actors, not me. My point is that it doesn't have to be the Chinese government (though it probably is, if he's being held and isn't just in hiding).
- xdavidliu 6y ago
  This is certainly not true if the "anyone else" is Jack Ma. If I gave you gun, and asked you to "hold" Jeff Bezos, you would certainly not be able to do it.
  - TameAntelope 6y ago
    Where am I? Where is Bezos? What are the additional hypothetical details of this scenario? Do I know how to use a gun in this scenario (I do not IRL)? I've only met one billionaire, but he was definitely not guarded by anyone, and had I the inclination, skills, and firepower, I could have easily taken him at gunpoint. I don't accept the notion that Jack Ma is guarded 100% of the time, that's movie fiction.
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    - eloff 6y ago
      Many billionaires, famous people, and ex-leaders of countries have bodyguards when they go out in public. Bezos has bodyguards. Some billionaires are relatively unknown, so maybe they get away without needing that.
    - xdavidliu 6y ago
      > Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful". > had I the inclination, skills, and firepower That's a very big "had I", and certainly not "anyone with a gun" as you said previously. Let me put it this way: suppose you're Bezos or Jack Ma and had access to unimaginable resources, comfort, and security from the best of the best. Surely it would be absolutely trivial to hire someone so that the vast, vast, majority of people with guns wouldn't be able to get to you, no matter how hard they tried, even _with_ so-called inclination and skills? I'm not even referring to having guard detail around them all the time; when you're that important and hundreds of billions of market cap depends on your very existence, their entire schedules will be mapped down to the smallest detail to minimize risk of harm to them, since if they were to get kidnapped, it would immediately wipe billions off the stock price. Do you really think that the only reason Bezos hasn't been captured is because ordinary people with guns just chose not to do so, and if anyone wanted, they could just kidnap Bezos easily? What percent of ordinary people like you or I have "skills" and "inclination" that can beat that hired by Bezos' billions?
      - 6y ago