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Disappointingly paranoid comments jumping to conclusions here. It's equally possible that Ma's disappearance is self-imposed after making an out of character sp

Disappointingly paranoid comments jumping to conclusions here. It's equally possible that Ma's disappearance is self-imposed after making an out of character speech that was not well received by investors and regulators alike. We don't know either way at this point. To quote Leo Lewis of the FT: "His miscalculation now looks spectacular, even by his astral standards of showmanship." [1] 1. https://www.ft.com/content/b3a94f55-5e44-417f-a869-a542d0527fe7 https://www.ft.com/content/b3a94f55-5e44-417f-a869-a542d0527...

echelon 6y ago
Total bullshit. This is the CCP stepping on this man's throat.
- guerrilla 6y ago
  It's certainly possible but the fact is that there's no evidence or indication one way or the other at this point.
  - netsharc 6y ago
    Lately the close-mindedness in HN has become amazing... many here seems to be a China expert, and their expertise says "I know what it is, it's an evil regime!".
    - slumpt_ 6y ago
      Given their treatment of Uighurs, yes - there is an element of evil. It’s not as if the governments of the world are immune to this - the US has been involved in a long history of heinous acts and China is no different.
      - netsharc 6y ago
        Yes, they're running terrible concentration camps.. but for some HNer to be able to say "I can see from this video that Jack Ma was imprisoned and is being forced by the CCP to do this"? Great job being an expert! How about some political nuance? Maybe they wouldn't dare just mess with a billionaire who was well respected just a few months ago? Well, maybe they do dare, I don't know, I'm not an expert in Chinese politics. But some commenters here seem to take one little thing they know and extrapolate it to absolute knowledge of how that government works in all aspects.
- yadongwen 6y ago
  You certainly don't understand 低调 and 闷声赚大钱. Ma learnt and adapted.
  - hawkice 6y ago
    "Learning and adapting to the Chinese system" and "the Chinese government is using constant terrifying threats to coerce public support" are not, in fact, mutually exclusive.
  - anothernewdude 6y ago
    I mean, that's really the problem right there.

echelon 6y ago

Total bullshit. This is the CCP stepping on this man's throat.

guerrilla 6y ago
It's certainly possible but the fact is that there's no evidence or indication one way or the other at this point.
- netsharc 6y ago
  Lately the close-mindedness in HN has become amazing... many here seems to be a China expert, and their expertise says "I know what it is, it's an evil regime!".
  - slumpt_ 6y ago
    Given their treatment of Uighurs, yes - there is an element of evil. It’s not as if the governments of the world are immune to this - the US has been involved in a long history of heinous acts and China is no different.
    - netsharc 6y ago
      Yes, they're running terrible concentration camps.. but for some HNer to be able to say "I can see from this video that Jack Ma was imprisoned and is being forced by the CCP to do this"? Great job being an expert! How about some political nuance? Maybe they wouldn't dare just mess with a billionaire who was well respected just a few months ago? Well, maybe they do dare, I don't know, I'm not an expert in Chinese politics. But some commenters here seem to take one little thing they know and extrapolate it to absolute knowledge of how that government works in all aspects.
yadongwen 6y ago
You certainly don't understand 低调 and 闷声赚大钱. Ma learnt and adapted.
- hawkice 6y ago
  "Learning and adapting to the Chinese system" and "the Chinese government is using constant terrifying threats to coerce public support" are not, in fact, mutually exclusive.
- anothernewdude 6y ago
  I mean, that's really the problem right there.