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But what would you think if you were a child in a poor country and that was your only way to eat?

judge2020 6y ago
I know this is probably sarcasm but the U.S. ideology is that the child should think “man I can’t wait for the United States to stage a coup in my government that brings capitalism and U.S. financial military aid to my country”.
- Triv888 6y ago
  I'm not being sarcastic at all... I have not been in those countries and I don't know what the kids' alternatives are.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    You're right, it's tricky. The alternative should be school and fair wages for adults. https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news/2007/11/19/attitudes-child-labour-changing https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news/2007/11/19/attitudes...
- DanBC 6y ago
  Just checking you know that the US still uses child labour in the US. https://www.hrw.org/video-photos/video/2014/05/13/made-usa-child-labor-tobacco https://www.hrw.org/video-photos/video/2014/05/13/made-usa-c... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/28/tobacco-child-labor-us-north-carolina https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/28/tobacco-child-... > Child labor is common on tobacco farms in the United States, where children are exposed to nicotine, toxic pesticides, and other dangers. Child tobacco workers often get sick with vomiting, nausea, headaches, and dizziness while working, all symptoms consistent with acute nicotine poisoning. Many work 50 to 60 hours a week without overtime pay, often in extreme heat. They may be exposed to pesticides that are known neurotoxins. Many also use dangerous tools and machinery, lift heavy loads, and climb to perilous heights to hang tobacco for drying. The largest tobacco companies in the world purchase tobacco grown in the US to make popular cigarette brands like Marlboro, Newport, Camel, Pall Mall and others. These companies can’t legally sell cigarettes to children, but they are profiting from child labor. US law also fails these children, by allowing them to work at much younger ages, for longer hours, and under more hazardous conditions than children working in all other sectors. Children as young as 12 can work legally on tobacco farms and at even younger ages on small farms.
munk-a 6y ago
I would think it's perfectly fair for you, as that child to seek out labour. But I also think it'd be perfectly fair if some sort of social safety net resulted in an orphanage where you could eat if you were starving - but that safety net would need to be paid by taxes on income that Apple isn't paying to their employees.
- Triv888 6y ago
  That sounds good and all, but what if the local Government isn't doing it... what is the next step?
  - munk-a 6y ago
    For Apple to not do business there because a bunch of entitled Americans yell at them over exploiting child labour... which, granted, isn't the best outcome for the locale in the short term but would result in the government making itself more acceptable as a overseas labour pool to US corporations.

judge2020 6y ago

I know this is probably sarcasm but the U.S. ideology is that the child should think “man I can’t wait for the United States to stage a coup in my government that brings capitalism and U.S. financial military aid to my country”.

Triv888 6y ago
I'm not being sarcastic at all... I have not been in those countries and I don't know what the kids' alternatives are.
- DanBC 6y ago
  You're right, it's tricky. The alternative should be school and fair wages for adults. https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news/2007/11/19/attitudes-child-labour-changing https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news/2007/11/19/attitudes...
DanBC 6y ago
Just checking you know that the US still uses child labour in the US. https://www.hrw.org/video-photos/video/2014/05/13/made-usa-child-labor-tobacco https://www.hrw.org/video-photos/video/2014/05/13/made-usa-c... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/28/tobacco-child-labor-us-north-carolina https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/28/tobacco-child-... > Child labor is common on tobacco farms in the United States, where children are exposed to nicotine, toxic pesticides, and other dangers. Child tobacco workers often get sick with vomiting, nausea, headaches, and dizziness while working, all symptoms consistent with acute nicotine poisoning. Many work 50 to 60 hours a week without overtime pay, often in extreme heat. They may be exposed to pesticides that are known neurotoxins. Many also use dangerous tools and machinery, lift heavy loads, and climb to perilous heights to hang tobacco for drying. The largest tobacco companies in the world purchase tobacco grown in the US to make popular cigarette brands like Marlboro, Newport, Camel, Pall Mall and others. These companies can’t legally sell cigarettes to children, but they are profiting from child labor. US law also fails these children, by allowing them to work at much younger ages, for longer hours, and under more hazardous conditions than children working in all other sectors. Children as young as 12 can work legally on tobacco farms and at even younger ages on small farms.

munk-a 6y ago

I would think it's perfectly fair for you, as that child to seek out labour. But I also think it'd be perfectly fair if some sort of social safety net resulted in an orphanage where you could eat if you were starving - but that safety net would need to be paid by taxes on income that Apple isn't paying to their employees.

Triv888 6y ago
That sounds good and all, but what if the local Government isn't doing it... what is the next step?
- munk-a 6y ago
  For Apple to not do business there because a bunch of entitled Americans yell at them over exploiting child labour... which, granted, isn't the best outcome for the locale in the short term but would result in the government making itself more acceptable as a overseas labour pool to US corporations.