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Which blog post?

jejkfmgmgk 6y ago
Probably the one by the Mozilla CEO, "We need more than deplatforming"[1] 1: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...
- ampdepolymerase 6y ago
  It is not particularly surprising considering that the founder of Brave was fired as Mozilla's CEO and replaced by the current one specifically because of politics.
  - dave5104 6y ago
    > because of politics. Even more specifically because of his anti-LGBT politics.
    - kdtsh 6y ago
      After a bit of reading, it sounds like he has some very nasty personal views. At least he respected the Mozilla community enough to step down when they came to light. His views do not impart themselves onto Brave of course, but I will stay with Firefox.
  - jamienicol 6y ago
    Brendan Eich wasn't replaced by the current CEO though. Nor was he fired. Nor was it just because of [his] politics. Nor does that article say what you think it does. But whatever, think what you like.
- arsome 6y ago
  That headline is certainly inflammatory, but I don't think the actual content of the post is nearly as bad - they're not suggesting web browser start flagging/blocking sites or anything similar like it initially made me think. They're simply suggesting further transparency in algorithmic suggestions and research be conducted. You could even argue that they're suggesting that deplatforming simply isn't the ultimate solution.
  - da_big_ghey 6y ago
    You're right that the content itself doesn't suggest Firefox doing something troubling, but the headline certainly does. It bothers me much more from a company known for privacy than it would from someone else.
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    - detaro 6y ago
      How is "more transparency from platforms" not in line with what you'd expect from Mozilla? It's not like they just suddenly started to talk about the topic.
      - alentist 6y ago
        The GP specifically said the headline. See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25839697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25839697
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  - jejkfmgmgk 6y ago
    The conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. They take the banning of Trump and conclude that there needs to be transparency in advertising? I mean, I agree, but it's certainly a weird article. I'm not sure if they're just piggybacking on a hot issue and inflammatory title to push this message. Whatever it is, I don't like it very much.
  - alentist 6y ago
    It’s more than that. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25839697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25839697
- Triv888 6y ago
  Mozilla's current CEO is like the opposite of what Firefox used to stand for... I can't wait to switch for something better. I think that he really likes the Google dollars. Disabling most add-ons in Firefox Mobile, really? I still use the old engine (Fennec) even if it probably makes me vulnerable. And there's a bunch of other problems that make the new Fenix engine less useful then Fennec... I don't even know what is supposed to make the new engine better.
  - ku-man 6y ago
    Isn't the current CEO a female? (a very incompetent one I understand)
  - sfg 6y ago
    Brave's current CEO co-founded the Mozilla Project, Foundation, and Corporation.
- echelon 6y ago
  And there goes my monthly Mozilla donation. I'm a liberal. But this is fucking fascism. When you want to take your position and jam it down everyone's throat and police how people can even talk. Fuck this. Decentralize everything. Edit: I just re-read the article after skimming and now I feel completely different. The article title is really bad. Mozilla is just calling for more transparency into how advertisers and social media operates. What a bad headline. I hope Mozilla never treads into the censorship territory. They can keep my money. :)
  - barbacoa 6y ago
    "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation." One has to read closely to pick up on the doublespeak. They are calling for the use of algorithms to hide ideas they disagree with and artificially promote ideas they agree with. It is soft censorship but far more sinister.
    - echelon 6y ago
      Damn, that's insidious. The people downvoting me would be terrified if it were Trump that had this power. My belief is that nobody should have this power. edit: You merry downvoters that believe we shouldn't have freedom of speech should move somewhere freedom of speech isn't permitted. That way you won't have to be offended anymore. Although I think it would be fitting if you don't have a say as to which speech is permitted.
      - jamienicol 6y ago
        > move somewhere freedom of speech isn't permitted We're on hackernews, where comments are indeed moderated
    - noicebrewery 6y ago
      A fact is not an idea, it's a thing that actually happened and can be measured. Your doublespeak, on the other hand, trying to equate facts with opinions, is what is concerning. This is the kind of nonsense that allows anti-vaxxers to be given equal voice to people who have studied biology for decades, or any of the qanon garbage that has resulted in people being killed.
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Which blog post?

Probably the one by the Mozilla CEO, "We need more than deplatforming"[1] 1: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...

ampdepolymerase 6y ago
It is not particularly surprising considering that the founder of Brave was fired as Mozilla's CEO and replaced by the current one specifically because of politics.
- dave5104 6y ago
  > because of politics. Even more specifically because of his anti-LGBT politics.
  - kdtsh 6y ago
    After a bit of reading, it sounds like he has some very nasty personal views. At least he respected the Mozilla community enough to step down when they came to light. His views do not impart themselves onto Brave of course, but I will stay with Firefox.
- jamienicol 6y ago
  Brendan Eich wasn't replaced by the current CEO though. Nor was he fired. Nor was it just because of [his] politics. Nor does that article say what you think it does. But whatever, think what you like.
arsome 6y ago
That headline is certainly inflammatory, but I don't think the actual content of the post is nearly as bad - they're not suggesting web browser start flagging/blocking sites or anything similar like it initially made me think. They're simply suggesting further transparency in algorithmic suggestions and research be conducted. You could even argue that they're suggesting that deplatforming simply isn't the ultimate solution.
- da_big_ghey 6y ago
  You're right that the content itself doesn't suggest Firefox doing something troubling, but the headline certainly does. It bothers me much more from a company known for privacy than it would from someone else.
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  - detaro 6y ago
    How is "more transparency from platforms" not in line with what you'd expect from Mozilla? It's not like they just suddenly started to talk about the topic.
    - alentist 6y ago
      The GP specifically said the headline. See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25839697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25839697
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- jejkfmgmgk 6y ago
  The conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. They take the banning of Trump and conclude that there needs to be transparency in advertising? I mean, I agree, but it's certainly a weird article. I'm not sure if they're just piggybacking on a hot issue and inflammatory title to push this message. Whatever it is, I don't like it very much.
- alentist 6y ago
  It’s more than that. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841660 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25841283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25839697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25839697
Triv888 6y ago
Mozilla's current CEO is like the opposite of what Firefox used to stand for... I can't wait to switch for something better. I think that he really likes the Google dollars. Disabling most add-ons in Firefox Mobile, really? I still use the old engine (Fennec) even if it probably makes me vulnerable. And there's a bunch of other problems that make the new Fenix engine less useful then Fennec... I don't even know what is supposed to make the new engine better.
- ku-man 6y ago
  Isn't the current CEO a female? (a very incompetent one I understand)
- sfg 6y ago
  Brave's current CEO co-founded the Mozilla Project, Foundation, and Corporation.
echelon 6y ago
And there goes my monthly Mozilla donation. I'm a liberal. But this is fucking fascism. When you want to take your position and jam it down everyone's throat and police how people can even talk. Fuck this. Decentralize everything. Edit: I just re-read the article after skimming and now I feel completely different. The article title is really bad. Mozilla is just calling for more transparency into how advertisers and social media operates. What a bad headline. I hope Mozilla never treads into the censorship territory. They can keep my money. :)
- barbacoa 6y ago
  "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation." One has to read closely to pick up on the doublespeak. They are calling for the use of algorithms to hide ideas they disagree with and artificially promote ideas they agree with. It is soft censorship but far more sinister.
  - echelon 6y ago
    Damn, that's insidious. The people downvoting me would be terrified if it were Trump that had this power. My belief is that nobody should have this power. edit: You merry downvoters that believe we shouldn't have freedom of speech should move somewhere freedom of speech isn't permitted. That way you won't have to be offended anymore. Although I think it would be fitting if you don't have a say as to which speech is permitted.
    - jamienicol 6y ago
      > move somewhere freedom of speech isn't permitted We're on hackernews, where comments are indeed moderated
  - noicebrewery 6y ago
    A fact is not an idea, it's a thing that actually happened and can be measured. Your doublespeak, on the other hand, trying to equate facts with opinions, is what is concerning. This is the kind of nonsense that allows anti-vaxxers to be given equal voice to people who have studied biology for decades, or any of the qanon garbage that has resulted in people being killed.

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