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> Most of those didn't have large groups just standing around waving signs and chanting -- almost everyone was involved in the violence and destruction This is

> Most of those didn't have large groups just standing around waving signs and chanting -- almost everyone was involved in the violence and destruction This is demonstrably false, and you should retract it. Second, it is qualitatively different to riot and break into one of our main bodies of government and threaten the lives of anyone (even if it was just a select few out of the larger whole) during an important part of the process of our peaceful transition of power. To simply equate this rioting to this summer's protests (and yes riots) and say "it's all wrong" is to almost miss the point entirely about what the impact, the risks, and the response to these two things should be. And while I would broadly agree that most of the content collected here is of angry, mostly harmless (and willfully misinformed) constituents asking for their voice to be heard, what I also saw was: * Largely unanimous support for attacking the police, breaking and entering into the Capitol, people cheering and laughing at everyone trespassing, breaking barricades. Definitely no signs of disapproval or concern for the police, the Congress, public property, or even the optics of the situation. There were of course a couple of instances of "don't hurt the cops" but they were completely outnumbered by the "this is OUR HOUSE"/1776 crowd. * If you just watch the last 2 hours of video - when the National Guard arrived, pushed people out of the building, then off the Capitol, out of the Mall, and so on - the videos turned extremely angry, negative, "f*k the police", "traitors!" etc it is absolutely clear that the only reason you have such a positive vibe about the first half of the videos is because there was such little resistance to their actions during the first half. If there had been armed National Guard presence there from the outset, this would've been much uglier, without the "waving flags and chanting" you see.

hajile 6y ago
There were 100-200,000 people. Less than 100 were wanted for entering the capitol. Less than 30 of those got charged with more than some variant of unlawful entering. NONE got charged with the stuff people have been talking about (I go into the details in another post on this thread). Even with the National Guard and the anger at being disrupted, they still left and the violence didn't hold a candle to most protests (You should look up videos of the Antifa attacks on the Federal Government in Oregon or any of the other large protests over last summer and you'll see what I'm talking about).
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Less than 30 of those got charged with more than some variant of unlawful entering. You say “got charged” as if we were at the point where either a criminal grand jury would have completed its work indicting on any but the most readily-apparent-from-circumstances felonies or defendants would have completed plea bargaining (which is typically the only time they would waive indictment.) We’ve only just started to see the first of the follow-on charges after the ones that are trivially established by the circumstances of arrest or video evidence, such as the conspiracy charges against a grop of Oath Keepers.
- kthejoker2 6y ago
  I mean, just as a basic counterpoint, there are way more than 100 people inside the Capitol in these videos; and hundreds more trespassed at least onto the Capitol steps. Heck, you can see way more than 100 people pushing against Daniel Hodges and his team, the guard in the infamous "crushing" video https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/video-shows-dc-police-officer-daniel-hodges-being-crushed-against-door-by-mob-storming-capitol/2021/01/11/32f439cd-7c7e-4f54-8bee-806ca28b8074_video.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/video-shows-dc... They are all committing assault. Of course most of them aren't wanted or charged or ever will be. But they are certainly not a small number. And to blithely suggest the people standing 200 or 500 or even 1,000 feet away from them cheering them on wouldn't have gladly pushed on that officer as well ... based on the videos here, you're clearly wrong.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    Also, over 100 people have already been arrested in connection with the attack, virtually all of them people who were detained or identified from video within the Capitol. And, per the FBI, there are more than 300 current active investigations, and that number is increasing. The “less than 100 wanted” simply doesn’t map in any reasonable way to reality.

hajile 6y ago

There were 100-200,000 people. Less than 100 were wanted for entering the capitol. Less than 30 of those got charged with more than some variant of unlawful entering. NONE got charged with the stuff people have been talking about (I go into the details in another post on this thread). Even with the National Guard and the anger at being disrupted, they still left and the violence didn't hold a candle to most protests (You should look up videos of the Antifa attacks on the Federal Government in Oregon or any of the other large protests over last summer and you'll see what I'm talking about).

dragonwriter 6y ago
> Less than 30 of those got charged with more than some variant of unlawful entering. You say “got charged” as if we were at the point where either a criminal grand jury would have completed its work indicting on any but the most readily-apparent-from-circumstances felonies or defendants would have completed plea bargaining (which is typically the only time they would waive indictment.) We’ve only just started to see the first of the follow-on charges after the ones that are trivially established by the circumstances of arrest or video evidence, such as the conspiracy charges against a grop of Oath Keepers.
kthejoker2 6y ago
I mean, just as a basic counterpoint, there are way more than 100 people inside the Capitol in these videos; and hundreds more trespassed at least onto the Capitol steps. Heck, you can see way more than 100 people pushing against Daniel Hodges and his team, the guard in the infamous "crushing" video https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/video-shows-dc-police-officer-daniel-hodges-being-crushed-against-door-by-mob-storming-capitol/2021/01/11/32f439cd-7c7e-4f54-8bee-806ca28b8074_video.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/video-shows-dc... They are all committing assault. Of course most of them aren't wanted or charged or ever will be. But they are certainly not a small number. And to blithely suggest the people standing 200 or 500 or even 1,000 feet away from them cheering them on wouldn't have gladly pushed on that officer as well ... based on the videos here, you're clearly wrong.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  Also, over 100 people have already been arrested in connection with the attack, virtually all of them people who were detained or identified from video within the Capitol. And, per the FBI, there are more than 300 current active investigations, and that number is increasing. The “less than 100 wanted” simply doesn’t map in any reasonable way to reality.