4 ms·

I’m not a lawyer but this feels like a fantasy to me. It seems crazy the MPA would take such a risk if they thought it was likely.

walrus01 6y ago
If you're an ISP, fully automated software sends DMCA notices for video content copyright violations all the time. There's no human in the loop anymore. If you see the vast bulk of these notices, a lot of them are spurious. It's a GIGO problem.
- monadic3 6y ago
  Presumably that's a much easier for videos than for software.
- LinuxBender 6y ago
  Even more entertaining, the bot has no idea what is or isn't legit. Ages ago I received a take-down from "The Internet Police" ordering me to remove all the Atari game updates from the FTP servers. Thing is, they belonged there. Atari paid us to run parts of their site, including game updates.
zeruch 6y ago
You have not met the staff of these orgs. It is actually not exaggeration to say they live in a media bubble where their studio chiefs are captains of industry that are infallible and are to be served with total fealty. I once sat in a meeting where some VP at a major client asked (because they were technically daft) if it was possible -in not so many words- DDOS google because "they (google) have all this infringing content on their site" I had to tell me boss "is anyone going to explain to that guy that what he's describing is A. not realistic and B. not legal?"
- TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
  > studio chiefs are captains of industry that are infallible and are to be served with total fealty Harvey Weinstein was taken down. I wonder if others will be.
Taniwha 6y ago
It seems to me that they are deliberately conflating "infringing someone's copyright" and "using to infringe someone's copyright" - there's a difference between "you have my copyrighted code in your github" and "you are providing software that can be used for copying my movie" - the first is what DMCA notices are for, not the second
- busythrowaway22 6y ago
  Seems like they're moving towards thought crime than actual crime.
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  Your last sentence is not true. The DMCA notice can be used for anything that the DMCA covers. One thing in the DMCA is: > linking users to an online location containing [...] infringing activity Extremely broad, but a link to a file sharing site with infringing content is also infringing. The DMCA notice can be used against the site containing the link.
  - rhyne 6y ago
    How many degrees of separation is this true for?
    - colejohnson66 6y ago
      That’s a good question. A strict reading would imply a single one, and would mean that only TPB would be infringing because they’re the ones “linking” to the content (they don’t host it). But it could easily be construed to mean a link to TPB is also infringing. The problem with the DMCA is that it’s so broadly worded with not enough words defined. What is the definition of “linking”? After a quick skim, I couldn’t find it. Are only hyperlinks (<a> tags) counted? Or are magnet “links” counted (despite not taking you to the content, but telling you the hashes of the content)? There’s no clear answer. So to answer your question: we don’t know.
- ThrustVectoring 6y ago

walrus01 6y ago

If you're an ISP, fully automated software sends DMCA notices for video content copyright violations all the time. There's no human in the loop anymore. If you see the vast bulk of these notices, a lot of them are spurious. It's a GIGO problem.

monadic3 6y ago
Presumably that's a much easier for videos than for software.
LinuxBender 6y ago
Even more entertaining, the bot has no idea what is or isn't legit. Ages ago I received a take-down from "The Internet Police" ordering me to remove all the Atari game updates from the FTP servers. Thing is, they belonged there. Atari paid us to run parts of their site, including game updates.

zeruch 6y ago

You have not met the staff of these orgs. It is actually not exaggeration to say they live in a media bubble where their studio chiefs are captains of industry that are infallible and are to be served with total fealty. I once sat in a meeting where some VP at a major client asked (because they were technically daft) if it was possible -in not so many words- DDOS google because "they (google) have all this infringing content on their site" I had to tell me boss "is anyone going to explain to that guy that what he's describing is A. not realistic and B. not legal?"

TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
> studio chiefs are captains of industry that are infallible and are to be served with total fealty Harvey Weinstein was taken down. I wonder if others will be.

Taniwha 6y ago

It seems to me that they are deliberately conflating "infringing someone's copyright" and "using to infringe someone's copyright" - there's a difference between "you have my copyrighted code in your github" and "you are providing software that can be used for copying my movie" - the first is what DMCA notices are for, not the second

busythrowaway22 6y ago
Seems like they're moving towards thought crime than actual crime.
colejohnson66 6y ago
Your last sentence is not true. The DMCA notice can be used for anything that the DMCA covers. One thing in the DMCA is: > linking users to an online location containing [...] infringing activity Extremely broad, but a link to a file sharing site with infringing content is also infringing. The DMCA notice can be used against the site containing the link.
- rhyne 6y ago
  How many degrees of separation is this true for?
  - colejohnson66 6y ago
    That’s a good question. A strict reading would imply a single one, and would mean that only TPB would be infringing because they’re the ones “linking” to the content (they don’t host it). But it could easily be construed to mean a link to TPB is also infringing. The problem with the DMCA is that it’s so broadly worded with not enough words defined. What is the definition of “linking”? After a quick skim, I couldn’t find it. Are only hyperlinks (<a> tags) counted? Or are magnet “links” counted (despite not taking you to the content, but telling you the hashes of the content)? There’s no clear answer. So to answer your question: we don’t know.
ThrustVectoring 6y ago