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Are you referring to Antifa and BLM, who also organized on FB and Twitter during 2020, too?

bananabreakfast 6y ago
You mean the fictitious boogeyman "group" that not one member has ever been identified and the movement for black rights that was widely brutalized by the police? I suppose not, seeing as one is a fantasy and the other clearly had the police paying attention to their plans. Besides, neither has attempted a coup to overturn an election so it's not really the same is it?
- yonaguska 6y ago
  Do you honestly believe that Antifa is not real?
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    "Real" and "worth pissing your pants over" aren't quite the same.
    - core-questions 6y ago
      Why does that same description not apply to their adversaries?
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        When antifa storms the Capitol and gets Congressional representation (i.e. folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene), do let me know.
        lenkite 6y ago
        Well, actually an Antifa activist (who also came on CNN) was one of those charged for inciting the Capitol attack: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/utah-man-charged-federal-court-following-events-united-states-capitol https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/utah-man-charged-federal-... https://www.newsweek.com/john-sullivan-capitol-attack-leftwing-antifa-1561898 https://www.newsweek.com/john-sullivan-capitol-attack-leftwi... With men like these deliberately egging on rioters, it's no wonder a protest turned violent.
        ceejayoz 6y ago
        One guy? This guy? > Activists in Utah have spent months condemning Sullivan, who has at turns identified himself as a racial justice protester and leftist documentarian, and they have warned others to be leery of his motives and any events he sponsored. > He held rallies featuring Black organizers. But attendees said one demonstration also featured members of the Proud Boys, an all-male extremist group with ties to white nationalism. The Proud Boys who attended, organizers said, told the crowd they wished to make peace with Black activists. > Later in the summer, Sullivan helped organize a pro-gun-rights rally and marched with self-styled militia members at the Utah Capitol, KSL-TV reported, further infuriating Black activists. > Sullivan’s reputation as an agitator and bad actor has followed him into other protest circles. In encrypted chats among left-leaning activists, organizers routinely flag posts by Sullivan to new members, saying, “Don’t trust that guy” and, pointing to his past ties with the Proud Boys, “He’s a double agent.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/16/sullivan-video-arrested/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/16/sullivan-vi... "Our mob can be incited to kill a cop by a single probably-not-really-antifa infiltrator tagging along" is a hell of a way to argue they're not dangerous.
        lenkite 6y ago
        We can keep arguing past each other or you can listen to his own speech delivered personally by him to know where his alignment truly lies: https://www.air.tv/watch?v=wZAuX4HmTK6WCuGoqPLB4w https://www.air.tv/watch?v=wZAuX4HmTK6WCuGoqPLB4w "We fought against white militia. [expletive]. We are going to rip Trump out of office. We are going to rip that [expletive]. " The left may have abandoned this guy now after his arrest and are busy deflecting all association, but he was most definitely an "anti-trump" activist. It takes just a couple of people to incite a riot honestly and this guy is an expert who was egging people on while standing safe.
        ceejayoz 6y ago
        > The left may have abandoned this guy now after his arrest and are busy deflecting all association, but he was most definitely an "anti-trump" activist. Nah, long before that. From November, for example: https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/status/1331902008765206528 https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/status/1331902008765206528 > It takes just a couple of people to incite a riot honestly and this guy is an expert who was egging people on while standing safe. Who mentioned Trump?
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    Antifa is a very minor left wing subculture centered around protests.
  - dylan-m 6y ago
    Antifa are Facebook's version of Anonymous.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    Antifa is real, but not an organization.
  - dghlsakjg 6y ago
    I honestly believe that antifa is not an organized entity. Antifa exists as a vaguely defined concept around the idea of counterprotesting right-wing groups. Its the same thing as the alt-right, an ill-defined idea that can be whatever bogeyman you want it to be to whoever you want to scare. This is the problem. You asked if people really don't believe that antifa is real. Obviously it is real in some sense since we are talking about something called antifa, but we have no idea if you are thinking of the bogeyman organization that doesn't exist, and I am thinking of a philosophy of counterprotest. When people talk about 'getting rid of antifa' there's a reason that so many people on the left laugh. It's because there is a false conception on the right that it is some sort of unified organization like the ACLU or NRA where you can literally be a card carrying member. People on the left understand that there is no such thing, it is just an ill-defined idea.
- tomcam 6y ago
  How is it that this fictitious bogeyman group has managed to take over portions of Seattle, get two people killed in Seattle, and spend months burning down neighborhoods in Seattle and Portland?
  - core-questions 6y ago
    Easy, my friend. All it has to do is deny its existence, and ensure that this denial is reflected up and down the stack. Under such cover, it can do anything, and blame anything that goes wrong on its opponents.
    - approxim8ion 6y ago
      Please cry more.
baggachipz 6y ago
Oh right, I forgot about the part where "Antifa" or the BLM protests ended in them infiltrating the United States Capitol, killing guards with fire extinguishers and american flags, stole laptops from members of congress and attempted to sell them to Russia, and were wearing literal Nazi propaganda and claiming a revolution.
- zaroth 6y ago
  An angry mob surrounded the White House and tried to burn down the Church of the Presidents on May 31, 2020. Trump had to shelter in the bunker, but he was just a coward, and the people were just demanding justice. > Then came darkness, and with it, another night of mayhem. In the park, protesters faced the familiar pop, pop, pop of pepper bullets and stinging clouds of tear gas meant to push back hundreds of them as they tried, again and again, to break through the police barricades set up around President Trump’s home. > Later, American flags and parked cars and buildings were lit ablaze — including St. John’s Church, a historic landmark opened in 1816 and attended by every president since James Madison. Firefighters quickly extinguished the basement fire, which police said was intentionally set. Protesters then, as on Jan 6th, tried to entice officers to take their side; > A black officer, according to witnesses, briefly took a knee in solidarity with the protesters, who cheered. > Not long after, another officer made an announcement on a megaphone: “Attention: We will continue to move back unless you break the police line.” > And again, cheering from the protesters, many of whom appeared to want the officers to join them rather than fight with them. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/fires-light-up-washington-dc-on-third-night-of-george-floyd-protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/fires-light-... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/washington-dc-george-floyd-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/washington-dc... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-braces-for-third-day-of-protests-and-clashes-over-death-of-george-floyd/2020/05/31/589471a4-a33b-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-braces-for-third-day...
  - Amezarak 6y ago
    This is the biggest downer of our time to me. The media/elite control of the narrative is astounding and nearly ironclad - and as best I can tell social media is just being used to reinforce it. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if white supremacists performed those same actions, it would be described as a violent terroristic insurrection.

You mean the fictitious boogeyman "group" that not one member has ever been identified and the movement for black rights that was widely brutalized by the police? I suppose not, seeing as one is a fantasy and the other clearly had the police paying attention to their plans. Besides, neither has attempted a coup to overturn an election so it's not really the same is it?

yonaguska 6y ago
Do you honestly believe that Antifa is not real?
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  "Real" and "worth pissing your pants over" aren't quite the same.
  - core-questions 6y ago
    Why does that same description not apply to their adversaries?
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      When antifa storms the Capitol and gets Congressional representation (i.e. folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene), do let me know.
      - lenkite 6y ago
        Well, actually an Antifa activist (who also came on CNN) was one of those charged for inciting the Capitol attack: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/utah-man-charged-federal-court-following-events-united-states-capitol https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/utah-man-charged-federal-... https://www.newsweek.com/john-sullivan-capitol-attack-leftwing-antifa-1561898 https://www.newsweek.com/john-sullivan-capitol-attack-leftwi... With men like these deliberately egging on rioters, it's no wonder a protest turned violent.
        ceejayoz 6y ago
        One guy? This guy? > Activists in Utah have spent months condemning Sullivan, who has at turns identified himself as a racial justice protester and leftist documentarian, and they have warned others to be leery of his motives and any events he sponsored. > He held rallies featuring Black organizers. But attendees said one demonstration also featured members of the Proud Boys, an all-male extremist group with ties to white nationalism. The Proud Boys who attended, organizers said, told the crowd they wished to make peace with Black activists. > Later in the summer, Sullivan helped organize a pro-gun-rights rally and marched with self-styled militia members at the Utah Capitol, KSL-TV reported, further infuriating Black activists. > Sullivan’s reputation as an agitator and bad actor has followed him into other protest circles. In encrypted chats among left-leaning activists, organizers routinely flag posts by Sullivan to new members, saying, “Don’t trust that guy” and, pointing to his past ties with the Proud Boys, “He’s a double agent.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/16/sullivan-video-arrested/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/16/sullivan-vi... "Our mob can be incited to kill a cop by a single probably-not-really-antifa infiltrator tagging along" is a hell of a way to argue they're not dangerous.
        lenkite 6y ago
        We can keep arguing past each other or you can listen to his own speech delivered personally by him to know where his alignment truly lies: https://www.air.tv/watch?v=wZAuX4HmTK6WCuGoqPLB4w https://www.air.tv/watch?v=wZAuX4HmTK6WCuGoqPLB4w "We fought against white militia. [expletive]. We are going to rip Trump out of office. We are going to rip that [expletive]. " The left may have abandoned this guy now after his arrest and are busy deflecting all association, but he was most definitely an "anti-trump" activist. It takes just a couple of people to incite a riot honestly and this guy is an expert who was egging people on while standing safe.
        ceejayoz 6y ago
        > The left may have abandoned this guy now after his arrest and are busy deflecting all association, but he was most definitely an "anti-trump" activist. Nah, long before that. From November, for example: https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/status/1331902008765206528 https://twitter.com/RebellionBaby/status/1331902008765206528 > It takes just a couple of people to incite a riot honestly and this guy is an expert who was egging people on while standing safe. Who mentioned Trump?
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  Antifa is a very minor left wing subculture centered around protests.
- dylan-m 6y ago
  Antifa are Facebook's version of Anonymous.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  Antifa is real, but not an organization.
- dghlsakjg 6y ago
  I honestly believe that antifa is not an organized entity. Antifa exists as a vaguely defined concept around the idea of counterprotesting right-wing groups. Its the same thing as the alt-right, an ill-defined idea that can be whatever bogeyman you want it to be to whoever you want to scare. This is the problem. You asked if people really don't believe that antifa is real. Obviously it is real in some sense since we are talking about something called antifa, but we have no idea if you are thinking of the bogeyman organization that doesn't exist, and I am thinking of a philosophy of counterprotest. When people talk about 'getting rid of antifa' there's a reason that so many people on the left laugh. It's because there is a false conception on the right that it is some sort of unified organization like the ACLU or NRA where you can literally be a card carrying member. People on the left understand that there is no such thing, it is just an ill-defined idea.
tomcam 6y ago
How is it that this fictitious bogeyman group has managed to take over portions of Seattle, get two people killed in Seattle, and spend months burning down neighborhoods in Seattle and Portland?
- core-questions 6y ago
  Easy, my friend. All it has to do is deny its existence, and ensure that this denial is reflected up and down the stack. Under such cover, it can do anything, and blame anything that goes wrong on its opponents.
  - approxim8ion 6y ago
    Please cry more.

baggachipz 6y ago

Oh right, I forgot about the part where "Antifa" or the BLM protests ended in them infiltrating the United States Capitol, killing guards with fire extinguishers and american flags, stole laptops from members of congress and attempted to sell them to Russia, and were wearing literal Nazi propaganda and claiming a revolution.

zaroth 6y ago
An angry mob surrounded the White House and tried to burn down the Church of the Presidents on May 31, 2020. Trump had to shelter in the bunker, but he was just a coward, and the people were just demanding justice. > Then came darkness, and with it, another night of mayhem. In the park, protesters faced the familiar pop, pop, pop of pepper bullets and stinging clouds of tear gas meant to push back hundreds of them as they tried, again and again, to break through the police barricades set up around President Trump’s home. > Later, American flags and parked cars and buildings were lit ablaze — including St. John’s Church, a historic landmark opened in 1816 and attended by every president since James Madison. Firefighters quickly extinguished the basement fire, which police said was intentionally set. Protesters then, as on Jan 6th, tried to entice officers to take their side; > A black officer, according to witnesses, briefly took a knee in solidarity with the protesters, who cheered. > Not long after, another officer made an announcement on a megaphone: “Attention: We will continue to move back unless you break the police line.” > And again, cheering from the protesters, many of whom appeared to want the officers to join them rather than fight with them. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/fires-light-up-washington-dc-on-third-night-of-george-floyd-protests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/fires-light-... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/washington-dc-george-floyd-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/washington-dc... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-braces-for-third-day-of-protests-and-clashes-over-death-of-george-floyd/2020/05/31/589471a4-a33b-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-braces-for-third-day...
- Amezarak 6y ago
  This is the biggest downer of our time to me. The media/elite control of the narrative is astounding and nearly ironclad - and as best I can tell social media is just being used to reinforce it. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if white supremacists performed those same actions, it would be described as a violent terroristic insurrection.