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Pretty sure free speech is gone from "liberal democracies" now that the left has decided that Twitter and Facebook should be arbiters of what speech is allowed.

xnyan 6y ago
I'm confused, are you arguing that if I host a popular website, the government should be able to compel to promote ideas I disagree with? How is that not worse than the current situation?
- imwillofficial 6y ago
  Exactly, just like the telephone company. Or that lady who didn’t want to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
  - xnyan 6y ago
    Ok let’s practice. I’m the government. I order you to post the following “I don’t think the government should be able to order Twitter not to delete tweets” If you don’t want to post that, why should Twitter be forced to do so?
honkycat 6y ago
And what would the right do? Pass legislation to force these corporations to host unprofitable content on their website?
kingaillas 6y ago
Here I thought it was the right-wing/conservative/republicans that were in favor of private enterprise, free association, no government intereference, etc. Which is exactly what happened here. Must only be for bakeries and gay wedding cakes.
- imwillofficial 6y ago
  If the lady has to bake the cake, the cloud provider has to host the content hahaha
echelon 6y ago
Holy shit, I'm a liberal and I'm being downvoted to hell anytime I bring up free speech. Any time I point out fascist China. Any time I say tech giants like Apple have reduced our ability to freely compute on our own hardware. Or create software without bowing to a cartel. Or that Google has destroyed the free and open web with its URL-destroying, AMP-chugging browser. If we don't protect our speech and our technology, we'll have nothing left to protect us when the monsters come. Imagine if freedom of speech was taken away and leveraged against you. Imagine not being able to speak out against religion or members of the ruling class. Or finding yourself on the other side of the tyranny of the majority. What happens when the next great issue is, say, transhumanism or human cloning and you have no right to talk about it? I'm a liberal. I voted for Biden, Warnock, and Ossoff. Why are there so many fascists in my party?
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  > Why are there so many fascists in my party? Maybe because you have no idea what "Fascism" means? Fascism does not mean "Someone told me what to do."
TomSwirly 6y ago
> "the left" blah blah blah Happy inauguration day! So glad to see the back of Trump. Now he goes to jail and dies there! Aren't you glad. Also: are you both right-wing and advocating for government control of what private corporations can publish? Can you justify that?

xnyan 6y ago

I'm confused, are you arguing that if I host a popular website, the government should be able to compel to promote ideas I disagree with? How is that not worse than the current situation?

imwillofficial 6y ago
Exactly, just like the telephone company. Or that lady who didn’t want to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
- xnyan 6y ago
  Ok let’s practice. I’m the government. I order you to post the following “I don’t think the government should be able to order Twitter not to delete tweets” If you don’t want to post that, why should Twitter be forced to do so?

honkycat 6y ago

And what would the right do? Pass legislation to force these corporations to host unprofitable content on their website?

kingaillas 6y ago

Here I thought it was the right-wing/conservative/republicans that were in favor of private enterprise, free association, no government intereference, etc. Which is exactly what happened here. Must only be for bakeries and gay wedding cakes.

imwillofficial 6y ago
If the lady has to bake the cake, the cloud provider has to host the content hahaha

echelon 6y ago

Holy shit, I'm a liberal and I'm being downvoted to hell anytime I bring up free speech. Any time I point out fascist China. Any time I say tech giants like Apple have reduced our ability to freely compute on our own hardware. Or create software without bowing to a cartel. Or that Google has destroyed the free and open web with its URL-destroying, AMP-chugging browser. If we don't protect our speech and our technology, we'll have nothing left to protect us when the monsters come. Imagine if freedom of speech was taken away and leveraged against you. Imagine not being able to speak out against religion or members of the ruling class. Or finding yourself on the other side of the tyranny of the majority. What happens when the next great issue is, say, transhumanism or human cloning and you have no right to talk about it? I'm a liberal. I voted for Biden, Warnock, and Ossoff. Why are there so many fascists in my party?

TomSwirly 6y ago
> Why are there so many fascists in my party? Maybe because you have no idea what "Fascism" means? Fascism does not mean "Someone told me what to do."

TomSwirly 6y ago

> "the left" blah blah blah Happy inauguration day! So glad to see the back of Trump. Now he goes to jail and dies there! Aren't you glad. Also: are you both right-wing and advocating for government control of what private corporations can publish? Can you justify that?