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I hope GitHub is willing to put a stop to this, seems like a stretch. Where this thread of logic end? Should python be blocked by DMCA because it is used to co

I hope GitHub is willing to put a stop to this, seems like a stretch. Where this thread of logic end? Should python be blocked by DMCA because it is used to compile code that facilitates copyright infringement?

dunefox 6y ago
Personal computers make copyright infringement possible. They need to go.
- fsflover 6y ago
  I guess this is exactly what Apple thinks when they remove root from your devices.
  - devmunchies 6y ago
    $ sudo whoami root
    - fsflover 6y ago
      https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG-116-JU05-20190716-SD036.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG...
      - devmunchies 6y ago
        oh, mobile. yeah agreed. thanks for link, haven't seen this.
- EvanAnderson 6y ago
  The industry is working on that. We're still getting people used to the idea of "phones" in beautiful and "safe" walled gardens. (We all know that "phones" aren't actually personal computers so it's not like we're giving anything up!) It's easier to control infringing uses of technology in the walled garden, where the imprimatur of the "gardener" reigns supreme and software can be sent down the memory hole if it angers the establishment. If this goes according to plan nobody (at least, nobody who isn't part of an aged and miniscule market segment) will notice when the personal computers are brought into the "safety" of the garden too.
- speeder 6y ago
  Well... they already succeeded in screwing some hardware and software this way. When Windows Vista was about to launch, MPAA pushed hard for DVD copy protection, this resulted in a sudden push against CRT monitors, in favor of then lower quality LCD, to force the usage of HDMI cables (because they have DRM), they also pushed hard for Microsoft to change what soundcards were allowed to do, again because of DRM. This contributed to a sudden death of CRTs right when some companies were about to have breakthrough in lightweight CRT, and also basically killed the soundcard market... they still exist, but nowhere near important as they were, and nowhere near awesome, the changes that were pushed to support DRM killed 3D Audio, back then you had people buying sound cards as if they were like GPUs but for audio, some games used this to great effect (Thief for example), where the game would raytrace the audio, calculating it reflecting, refracting and difracting around the 3D models, allowing for sound simulations that let players to figure out the environment by audio alone... Vista came and changed drastically how the driver stack for video and audio worked, MS back then blamed "stability" but they killed hard anything that could be used to circunvent DVD, HDMI and related DRM.
  - outworlder 6y ago
    > were about to have breakthrough in lightweight CRT Never heard of this. There's a limit on how lightweight a CRT can be, compared to what amounts to essentially a large chip. Maybe that wasn't so bad. Also, unless this breakthrough no longer used an electron gun, they are power hogs. > to force the usage of HDMI cables What's preventing one from driving a CRT with a HDMI signal? You can generate the analog signals the CRT needs quite easily. This is in fact done by dirt cheap dongles today. > where the game would raytrace the audio, calculating it reflecting, refracting and difracting around the 3D models, allowing for sound simulations that let players to figure out the environment by audio alone Why can't we do this today? This can in fact be done by GPUs. Possibly even in the CPU. The way I understand there are a few reasons why people stopped buying sound cards: * Capabilities such as MIDI and pre-loaded instruments were no longer used. Games had more space to burn so they just used digitized waveforms * The built-in audio became "good enough". Any built-in cheap can output audio at high sample rates. Decent audio can be provided even from the analog outputs, not to mention digital signals carried by optical outputs, HDMI, Display Port. Some of these may not even be routed through the audio card * Similarly, many people use USB headsets. They have their own audio device. In fact, many computers have multiple - in my case, my camera has one, the Oculus has another, so does the monitor. All through USB or DisplayPort * Most sound processing tasks are not really that taxing on a modern system. Thief might be an exception and even then, given some AMD and NVidia offerings, this is probably doable without dedicated audio processing hardware * Also Creative had a chokehold on the industry as a whole. Lots of libraries and products were purchased or killed. They still make audio cards today, but I can't understand why.
- PAPPPmAc 6y ago
  Good old Right to Read (Stallman, 1997) https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html and The Coming War On General Purpose Computing (Doctorow, 2011) https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Computation https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Com... warning us that entities really are going to try exactly that bullshit. And, as usual, sounding paranoid at the time and "oh, yeah, of course that happened" later.
Nextgrid 6y ago
This nasty industry tried to make the VCR illegal back in the day so you're not that far off.
- EvanAnderson 6y ago
  A lot people on HN probably weren't alive to know that this happened. It would do people well to read the testimony given before a subcommittee of the House of Representatives back in 1983[1] to get some idea of exactly how willing and eager to destroy innovation copyright maximalists really are. Nothing suggests the attitudes motivating the MPAA's lack of foresight re: the VCR in 1983, aand their general unwillingness to allow anything to upset the status quo, have gone anywhere in the ensuing decades. [1] http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (If nothing else, read Jack Valenti's testimony.)
f311a 6y ago
Python does not contain preconfiguration that allows you to download particular files. The DMCA mentions configs with data samples.

dunefox 6y ago

Personal computers make copyright infringement possible. They need to go.

fsflover 6y ago
I guess this is exactly what Apple thinks when they remove root from your devices.
- devmunchies 6y ago
  $ sudo whoami root
  - fsflover 6y ago
    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG-116-JU05-20190716-SD036.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG...
    - devmunchies 6y ago
      oh, mobile. yeah agreed. thanks for link, haven't seen this.
EvanAnderson 6y ago
The industry is working on that. We're still getting people used to the idea of "phones" in beautiful and "safe" walled gardens. (We all know that "phones" aren't actually personal computers so it's not like we're giving anything up!) It's easier to control infringing uses of technology in the walled garden, where the imprimatur of the "gardener" reigns supreme and software can be sent down the memory hole if it angers the establishment. If this goes according to plan nobody (at least, nobody who isn't part of an aged and miniscule market segment) will notice when the personal computers are brought into the "safety" of the garden too.
speeder 6y ago
Well... they already succeeded in screwing some hardware and software this way. When Windows Vista was about to launch, MPAA pushed hard for DVD copy protection, this resulted in a sudden push against CRT monitors, in favor of then lower quality LCD, to force the usage of HDMI cables (because they have DRM), they also pushed hard for Microsoft to change what soundcards were allowed to do, again because of DRM. This contributed to a sudden death of CRTs right when some companies were about to have breakthrough in lightweight CRT, and also basically killed the soundcard market... they still exist, but nowhere near important as they were, and nowhere near awesome, the changes that were pushed to support DRM killed 3D Audio, back then you had people buying sound cards as if they were like GPUs but for audio, some games used this to great effect (Thief for example), where the game would raytrace the audio, calculating it reflecting, refracting and difracting around the 3D models, allowing for sound simulations that let players to figure out the environment by audio alone... Vista came and changed drastically how the driver stack for video and audio worked, MS back then blamed "stability" but they killed hard anything that could be used to circunvent DVD, HDMI and related DRM.
- outworlder 6y ago
  > were about to have breakthrough in lightweight CRT Never heard of this. There's a limit on how lightweight a CRT can be, compared to what amounts to essentially a large chip. Maybe that wasn't so bad. Also, unless this breakthrough no longer used an electron gun, they are power hogs. > to force the usage of HDMI cables What's preventing one from driving a CRT with a HDMI signal? You can generate the analog signals the CRT needs quite easily. This is in fact done by dirt cheap dongles today. > where the game would raytrace the audio, calculating it reflecting, refracting and difracting around the 3D models, allowing for sound simulations that let players to figure out the environment by audio alone Why can't we do this today? This can in fact be done by GPUs. Possibly even in the CPU. The way I understand there are a few reasons why people stopped buying sound cards: * Capabilities such as MIDI and pre-loaded instruments were no longer used. Games had more space to burn so they just used digitized waveforms * The built-in audio became "good enough". Any built-in cheap can output audio at high sample rates. Decent audio can be provided even from the analog outputs, not to mention digital signals carried by optical outputs, HDMI, Display Port. Some of these may not even be routed through the audio card * Similarly, many people use USB headsets. They have their own audio device. In fact, many computers have multiple - in my case, my camera has one, the Oculus has another, so does the monitor. All through USB or DisplayPort * Most sound processing tasks are not really that taxing on a modern system. Thief might be an exception and even then, given some AMD and NVidia offerings, this is probably doable without dedicated audio processing hardware * Also Creative had a chokehold on the industry as a whole. Lots of libraries and products were purchased or killed. They still make audio cards today, but I can't understand why.
PAPPPmAc 6y ago
Good old Right to Read (Stallman, 1997) https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html and The Coming War On General Purpose Computing (Doctorow, 2011) https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Computation https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Com... warning us that entities really are going to try exactly that bullshit. And, as usual, sounding paranoid at the time and "oh, yeah, of course that happened" later.

Nextgrid 6y ago

This nasty industry tried to make the VCR illegal back in the day so you're not that far off.

EvanAnderson 6y ago
A lot people on HN probably weren't alive to know that this happened. It would do people well to read the testimony given before a subcommittee of the House of Representatives back in 1983[1] to get some idea of exactly how willing and eager to destroy innovation copyright maximalists really are. Nothing suggests the attitudes motivating the MPAA's lack of foresight re: the VCR in 1983, aand their general unwillingness to allow anything to upset the status quo, have gone anywhere in the ensuing decades. [1] http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (If nothing else, read Jack Valenti's testimony.)

f311a 6y ago

Python does not contain preconfiguration that allows you to download particular files. The DMCA mentions configs with data samples.