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At what content share threshold should an app be taken off of the App Stores for hosting objectionable content?

by pageandrew 6y ago

9wzYQbTYsAIc 6y ago
It’s based on capacity to moderate, not on an arbitrary ratio.
- trident5000 6y ago
  Looks like they dont have the capacity.
  - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 6y ago
    Appearances can be deceiving. They may have the capacity to do so and just failed to do so. Or the public failed to inform Facebook of the violent messages.
- pageandrew 6y ago
  The idea that a fledgling social media company needs a moderation effort akin to Facebook in order to be allowed to even exist seems very anti-competitive to me. Content still slips through the cracks on Facebook too. Parler had a moderation system in place, although it was jury-driven and not centralized.
  - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 6y ago
    Well, if there were legislation that enforced that high of a barrier to entry to be a social media company, then it would be a moot point.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    That "fledging" social media company was personally funded by a billionaire media family. At what point do we stop pretending that a company with access to tens of millions of dollars of funding (or more) is a "fledgling" company that isn't responsible for its own failures?
  - alkonaut 6y ago
    > The idea that a fledgling social media company needs a moderation effort akin to Facebook in order to be allowed to even exist seems very anti-competitive to me Moderation seems to be an activity that can scale linearly with users (content). So if you have 1/1000 the user base then you have roughly 1/1000 the moderation effort. Of all the barriers to entry in the social media market, moderation seems like the smallest one because it doesn't scale as well as other activities such as operation costs, development staff , and so on. Of course, if you start a social media company with the intent to be a haven for content that "takes a lot of moderation effort" then obviously you are setting yourself up for a situation where it's difficult to compete. If you need 10x the number of moderation actions as facebook or twitter, then you have 10x the cost too.
ryandrake 6y ago
That’s a great question for these app stores. How much nazi content and calls to violently overthrow the government is too much to be allowed on the app store? Kind of like asking the FDA how much arsenic should be allowed in my Cheerios. I’d like to see what their idea of the right threshold is.
- pageandrew 6y ago
  Is the implication that one instance of objectionable content is enough to warrant deplatforming of the site? That seems like a really easy way for one competitor to take out another.
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    Not trying to imply anything. The threshold could be non-zero. The FDA notably has a non-zero threshold for things like allowed rat droppings and hair, insect parts, etc. [1] in your food, since no scalable process is perfect. I’m curious to know exactly how many or what percentage Nazi posts are OK for an app in the App Store. 1: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/health/insect-rodent-filth-in-food-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/health/insect-rodent-filth-in...

At what content share threshold should an app be taken off of the App Stores for hosting objectionable content?

9wzYQbTYsAIc 6y ago

It’s based on capacity to moderate, not on an arbitrary ratio.

trident5000 6y ago
Looks like they dont have the capacity.
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 6y ago
  Appearances can be deceiving. They may have the capacity to do so and just failed to do so. Or the public failed to inform Facebook of the violent messages.
pageandrew 6y ago
The idea that a fledgling social media company needs a moderation effort akin to Facebook in order to be allowed to even exist seems very anti-competitive to me. Content still slips through the cracks on Facebook too. Parler had a moderation system in place, although it was jury-driven and not centralized.
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 6y ago
  Well, if there were legislation that enforced that high of a barrier to entry to be a social media company, then it would be a moot point.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  That "fledging" social media company was personally funded by a billionaire media family. At what point do we stop pretending that a company with access to tens of millions of dollars of funding (or more) is a "fledgling" company that isn't responsible for its own failures?
- alkonaut 6y ago
  > The idea that a fledgling social media company needs a moderation effort akin to Facebook in order to be allowed to even exist seems very anti-competitive to me Moderation seems to be an activity that can scale linearly with users (content). So if you have 1/1000 the user base then you have roughly 1/1000 the moderation effort. Of all the barriers to entry in the social media market, moderation seems like the smallest one because it doesn't scale as well as other activities such as operation costs, development staff , and so on. Of course, if you start a social media company with the intent to be a haven for content that "takes a lot of moderation effort" then obviously you are setting yourself up for a situation where it's difficult to compete. If you need 10x the number of moderation actions as facebook or twitter, then you have 10x the cost too.

ryandrake 6y ago

That’s a great question for these app stores. How much nazi content and calls to violently overthrow the government is too much to be allowed on the app store? Kind of like asking the FDA how much arsenic should be allowed in my Cheerios. I’d like to see what their idea of the right threshold is.

pageandrew 6y ago
Is the implication that one instance of objectionable content is enough to warrant deplatforming of the site? That seems like a really easy way for one competitor to take out another.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  Not trying to imply anything. The threshold could be non-zero. The FDA notably has a non-zero threshold for things like allowed rat droppings and hair, insect parts, etc. [1] in your food, since no scalable process is perfect. I’m curious to know exactly how many or what percentage Nazi posts are OK for an app in the App Store. 1: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/health/insect-rodent-filth-in-food-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/04/health/insect-rodent-filth-in...