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It's not even clear that there's a solution here beyond let the platforms exercise their best judgement and sort of muddle along. Ensuring a diversity of platf

It's not even clear that there's a solution here beyond let the platforms exercise their best judgement and sort of muddle along. Ensuring a diversity of platforms with no one/two/three platforms controlling the vast majority of interaction would probably help.

root_axis 6y ago
People are free to use whatever platforms they want, you can't force the masses to use alternative platforms. Besides, the landscape is already very diverse, but the most popular platforms will always get the most media attention, it's not like using FB precludes the use of any other platform, most people who are active on social media are active on multiple sites. This just isn't a problem.
- boogies 6y ago
  > People are free to use whatever platforms they want 8.1 million people wanted to use Parler. Obviously to me they can get a GNU-powered phone and Parler could get ported and they’d be free to use it. >999‰ of them probably have no idea those exist. >99‰ of them probably don’t even know what “jailbreak” means or that it’s legal, and ~900‰ probably don’t know how to do it or that they have the ability to learn it.
  - cbozeman 6y ago
    I have a Parler account. I've known about PinePhone, Librem 5, and other variants since their inceptions. I've jailbroken myriad devices for years. I don't know where this idea you have that there aren't technical people - extremely technical people - across the political spectrum comes from, but you should probably disabuse yourself of that notion immediately. What people want is 1) fair treatment regardless of political affiliation or belief and 2) ease of idea transmission. There's nothing stopping people from spinning up a VM across the thousands of cloud service providers and creating their own little corner of the web, but that doesn't give you nearly the engagement of YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc. In fact, I'm willing to bet even the most trafficked personal websites don't get one-tenth of their associated YouTube / Snapchat / TikTok accounts. How many people go to TaylorSwift.com versus her YouTube channel? Her TikTok channel? Her Twitter page?
    - root_axis 6y ago
      > How many people go to TaylorSwift.com versus her YouTube channel? Her TikTok channel? Her Twitter page? Is this something we should care about though? I understand why individuals care about engagement, but why should society care that Taylor Swift gets more views on TikTok vs her personal website? If you think we should care about it, what about all the people that get essentially zero engagement despite having access to those platforms and having something worthwhile to share?
      - cbozeman 6y ago
        >> why should society care that Taylor Swift gets more views on TikTok vs her personal website? Because I know what the motive of TaylorSwift.com is. Its to promote Taylor Swift. I don't have to question it, I don't have to ask myself, "Are they promoting Taylor Swift because they like her political ideology, or because she makes a lot of money for TaylorSwift.com, or <insert a million other questions that I haven't asked and a million more I'm not smart enough to think of>?" Sure, an argument could be made that visitors of root_axis.com aren't being exposed solely to what root_axis has to say, that in fact, root_axis.com is a Latvian honeypot designed to capture users information for the express purpose of Latvian national security interests. But that's a crackpot argument that is far less likely than say, TikTok's purpose is not just to generate money but to gather data about users for the CCP. You'd be more insane not to see that as a byproduct of TikTok, given ByteDance literally has CCP ties through and through. >> what about all the people that get essentially zero engagement despite having access to those platforms and having something worthwhile to share? This actually makes my case against the dominance of a platform or monopoly. Why are these people getting zero engagement? Are they bad at SEO? Did they not pay the Google tax? Are they being unfairly targeted because of <insert any potential reason>? Hard to say, nowadays. >> Is this something we should care about though? To answer your last question, I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't. I think these are serious problems though, and they're going to require serious thought. Or hey, maybe VisageTome, Honker, PopTalk, DingDong, and Immediapost overtake FaceBook, Twitter, SnapChat, TikTok, and Instagram and it all sorts itself out... who knows?
        6y ago
  - root_axis 6y ago
    Parler is fine, they are in the process of switching to new hosting and already have the site running for top posters. Check the website. Beyond that, the vast majority of Parler users continue to use Facebook and Twitter they just follow the rules, same as you have to on Parler.

root_axis 6y ago

People are free to use whatever platforms they want, you can't force the masses to use alternative platforms. Besides, the landscape is already very diverse, but the most popular platforms will always get the most media attention, it's not like using FB precludes the use of any other platform, most people who are active on social media are active on multiple sites. This just isn't a problem.

boogies 6y ago
> People are free to use whatever platforms they want 8.1 million people wanted to use Parler. Obviously to me they can get a GNU-powered phone and Parler could get ported and they’d be free to use it. >999‰ of them probably have no idea those exist. >99‰ of them probably don’t even know what “jailbreak” means or that it’s legal, and ~900‰ probably don’t know how to do it or that they have the ability to learn it.
- cbozeman 6y ago
  I have a Parler account. I've known about PinePhone, Librem 5, and other variants since their inceptions. I've jailbroken myriad devices for years. I don't know where this idea you have that there aren't technical people - extremely technical people - across the political spectrum comes from, but you should probably disabuse yourself of that notion immediately. What people want is 1) fair treatment regardless of political affiliation or belief and 2) ease of idea transmission. There's nothing stopping people from spinning up a VM across the thousands of cloud service providers and creating their own little corner of the web, but that doesn't give you nearly the engagement of YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc. In fact, I'm willing to bet even the most trafficked personal websites don't get one-tenth of their associated YouTube / Snapchat / TikTok accounts. How many people go to TaylorSwift.com versus her YouTube channel? Her TikTok channel? Her Twitter page?
  - root_axis 6y ago
    > How many people go to TaylorSwift.com versus her YouTube channel? Her TikTok channel? Her Twitter page? Is this something we should care about though? I understand why individuals care about engagement, but why should society care that Taylor Swift gets more views on TikTok vs her personal website? If you think we should care about it, what about all the people that get essentially zero engagement despite having access to those platforms and having something worthwhile to share?
    - cbozeman 6y ago
      >> why should society care that Taylor Swift gets more views on TikTok vs her personal website? Because I know what the motive of TaylorSwift.com is. Its to promote Taylor Swift. I don't have to question it, I don't have to ask myself, "Are they promoting Taylor Swift because they like her political ideology, or because she makes a lot of money for TaylorSwift.com, or <insert a million other questions that I haven't asked and a million more I'm not smart enough to think of>?" Sure, an argument could be made that visitors of root_axis.com aren't being exposed solely to what root_axis has to say, that in fact, root_axis.com is a Latvian honeypot designed to capture users information for the express purpose of Latvian national security interests. But that's a crackpot argument that is far less likely than say, TikTok's purpose is not just to generate money but to gather data about users for the CCP. You'd be more insane not to see that as a byproduct of TikTok, given ByteDance literally has CCP ties through and through. >> what about all the people that get essentially zero engagement despite having access to those platforms and having something worthwhile to share? This actually makes my case against the dominance of a platform or monopoly. Why are these people getting zero engagement? Are they bad at SEO? Did they not pay the Google tax? Are they being unfairly targeted because of <insert any potential reason>? Hard to say, nowadays. >> Is this something we should care about though? To answer your last question, I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't. I think these are serious problems though, and they're going to require serious thought. Or hey, maybe VisageTome, Honker, PopTalk, DingDong, and Immediapost overtake FaceBook, Twitter, SnapChat, TikTok, and Instagram and it all sorts itself out... who knows?
      - 6y ago
- root_axis 6y ago
  Parler is fine, they are in the process of switching to new hosting and already have the site running for top posters. Check the website. Beyond that, the vast majority of Parler users continue to use Facebook and Twitter they just follow the rules, same as you have to on Parler.