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This is such an HN comment. For 95% of the people alive right now, it matters very much where they live and what nationality they are. See: every migrant crisis

by anewaccount2021 6y ago

This is such an HN comment. For 95% of the people alive right now, it matters very much where they live and what nationality they are. See: every migrant crisis. Or people who have a bank account insured by their government. Or anyone on any kind of social security. etc etc etc The 0.1% can get in their jet and go to New Zealand, or buy a Swiss passport with BTC...so sure, place is irrelevant to them. Not so for everyone else.

dusted 6y ago
The idea of escaping from whatever is currently a dirty hellhole to the magical land of X where everything is better, is exactly the same kind of backward thinking, what you're describing with the 0.1% is no different than all other migration towards greener pastures, and it shows why we can't continue like this.. More or less the entire world is going to turn into a trashfire unless we unite and fix it, so that everywhere is a nice place to live, nationalism won't fix it, it prevents it from being fixed, because we've divided the globe into more and less desirable geometric shapes, it didn't work, next.
- anewaccount2021 6y ago
  You've been watching too much Star Trek.
  - dusted 6y ago
    I don't actually think one can watch too much ST ;) I am fully aware that what I describe cannot just be done, but it does not mean it's not the right thing to strive towards. Even the countries we have now have been split up into smaller, warring tribes if you go back far enough. It's always been the resistance, the hardships that have forced us to cooperate, and it mostly still is. Climate activism is a good example, there's a common enemy, "clearly" defined rules of what is right and wrong, it gets people together, even across nationality and religion. But while there are lots of proof that people can cooperate against a common enemy, there's no proof they can't cooperate without one, oftentimes it seems most resistance to that idea is people refusing to believe that others can do it, and then the suggested change itself becomes the common enemy, and prevents it from happening.. There may be some what to make people agree, it's just not been found yet.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    Forgive us for choosing to aspire to high ideals instead of being content with the garbage fire world we have right now.

dusted 6y ago

The idea of escaping from whatever is currently a dirty hellhole to the magical land of X where everything is better, is exactly the same kind of backward thinking, what you're describing with the 0.1% is no different than all other migration towards greener pastures, and it shows why we can't continue like this.. More or less the entire world is going to turn into a trashfire unless we unite and fix it, so that everywhere is a nice place to live, nationalism won't fix it, it prevents it from being fixed, because we've divided the globe into more and less desirable geometric shapes, it didn't work, next.

anewaccount2021 6y ago
You've been watching too much Star Trek.
- dusted 6y ago
  I don't actually think one can watch too much ST ;) I am fully aware that what I describe cannot just be done, but it does not mean it's not the right thing to strive towards. Even the countries we have now have been split up into smaller, warring tribes if you go back far enough. It's always been the resistance, the hardships that have forced us to cooperate, and it mostly still is. Climate activism is a good example, there's a common enemy, "clearly" defined rules of what is right and wrong, it gets people together, even across nationality and religion. But while there are lots of proof that people can cooperate against a common enemy, there's no proof they can't cooperate without one, oftentimes it seems most resistance to that idea is people refusing to believe that others can do it, and then the suggested change itself becomes the common enemy, and prevents it from happening.. There may be some what to make people agree, it's just not been found yet.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  Forgive us for choosing to aspire to high ideals instead of being content with the garbage fire world we have right now.