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This is organized crime, however the author made it a point that these areas are not under rule of the law.

by miga 6y ago

This *is* organized crime, however the author made it a point that these areas are *not* under rule of the law.

RHSeeger 6y ago
Law enforcement is effectively just the use of (threatened or actual) violence in a way that society has agreed is accepted. The police for (and similar entities) in many modern countries are just the group that has a monopoly on that accepted use a violence. It seems like what's being described _is_ the rule of law for that area, just not the rule of law most people expect.
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
  > It seems like what's being described yes this was exactly what I wanted to say. the local norms have over time become illegal and many regions still have a combination of both. Say ... if a local person was just arriving on the island, without any reference (would be an odd thing to do but for the sake of argument[1]) this person then (hypothetically) gets robbed at the pier, his next stop isn't the police who might end up beating him or finding ways to extort him, but they would visit whoever ran the village. They would beg for work, and they'll chat about who they might know in common, and find an arrangement (maybe even find the offender and get their stuff back). The police would be the last place they'd go to not only because they're corrupt but because it would potentially make the village elder who is actually in power lose a little face. [1] it's risky traveling being both without reference AND poor. especially poor folk would do everything in their power to arrange with people at their destination about their visit. so a job seeker turning up at the police saying they've been robbed would raise a lot of questions. (the person might be a good shoe-in for case they have open since a while and are still looking for a suspect).
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  Writing from the US: parallels to organized crime abounds in law enforcement here as well. Look what happened to Adrian Schoolcraft [1] > After voicing his concerns, Schoolcraft was repeatedly harassed by members of the NYPD and reassigned to a desk job. After he left work early one day, an ESU unit illegally entered his apartment, physically abducted him and forcibly admitted him to a psychiatric facility, where he was held against his will for six days. The issue is that people here assume things like this are exceptional rather than systemic. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft

This *is* organized crime, however the author made it a point that these areas are *not* under rule of the law.

by miga 6y ago

This *is* organized crime, however the author made it a point that these areas are *not* under rule of the law.

Law enforcement is effectively just the use of (threatened or actual) violence in a way that society has agreed is accepted. The police for (and similar entities) in many modern countries are just the group that has a monopoly on that accepted use a violence. It seems like what's being described _is_ the rule of law for that area, just not the rule of law most people expect.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
> It seems like what's being described yes this was exactly what I wanted to say. the local norms have over time become illegal and many regions still have a combination of both. Say ... if a local person was just arriving on the island, without any reference (would be an odd thing to do but for the sake of argument[1]) this person then (hypothetically) gets robbed at the pier, his next stop isn't the police who might end up beating him or finding ways to extort him, but they would visit whoever ran the village. They would beg for work, and they'll chat about who they might know in common, and find an arrangement (maybe even find the offender and get their stuff back). The police would be the last place they'd go to not only because they're corrupt but because it would potentially make the village elder who is actually in power lose a little face. [1] it's risky traveling being both without reference AND poor. especially poor folk would do everything in their power to arrange with people at their destination about their visit. so a job seeker turning up at the police saying they've been robbed would raise a lot of questions. (the person might be a good shoe-in for case they have open since a while and are still looking for a suspect).
jakelazaroff 6y ago
Writing from the US: parallels to organized crime abounds in law enforcement here as well. Look what happened to Adrian Schoolcraft [1] > After voicing his concerns, Schoolcraft was repeatedly harassed by members of the NYPD and reassigned to a desk job. After he left work early one day, an ESU unit illegally entered his apartment, physically abducted him and forcibly admitted him to a psychiatric facility, where he was held against his will for six days. The issue is that people here assume things like this are exceptional rather than systemic. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft