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Hopefully they can criticize the government all they want still. It's that storm the Capitol building looking to overthrow the government that is going to earn

by kemiller2002 6y ago

Hopefully they can criticize the government all they want still. It's that storm the Capitol building looking to overthrow the government that is going to earn them a timeout.

xiphias2 6y ago
Still a question remains that why the military went there instead of just the police? Generally the military is trained in killing people and the police in deescalation and keeping order inside the country. I’m still very optimistic for the US. I’m not a Joe Biden fan, but the people who he selected so far look knowledgable, which is a big improvement over many other countries.
- klmadfejno 6y ago
  Because there were people there hoping to kill political leaders and the police did not have control of the situation.
  - Amezarak 6y ago
    The DoJ is now walking back those claims. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/15/qanon-shaman-trump-kill-pardon/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/15/qanon-shama... > On Friday, however, Assistant U.S. Attorney Todd Allison walked back the claim of an assassination plot, saying that while it “may very well be appropriate at a trial,” raising it at this stage could “mislead the court.” [...] > We don’t have any direct evidence of kill/capture teams,” Sherwin said at a Friday news briefing. NB: It never ceases to surprise me that people take the public statements of the FBI/DoJ with its long history of overzealous and often illegal overreaches very uncritically. We're talking about an organization (the FBI) that was controlled by one of the most corrupt men in US political history for nearly half of its existence - J Edgar Hoover. Nothing much has changed. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you are, they are not your friend - they both tried to blackmail MLK into killing himself and sent snipers to murder a hard-right woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  The military seem to be, frankly, much better trained than the police. The US military has lots of recent experience in managing situations far more dangerous involving civilians in Afghanistan and The middle East. In contrast the US police are infamously shoot-first questions-later. Biden'd day1 plan has been leaked, it's all good to my eye, although he has a gargantuan task dealing with COVID and rebuilding trust in the government.
- miga 6y ago
  There was military coup in 2014. In 2016, junta leader gave officers of the army were given police powers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Thai_Police#Army_deputized_as_police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Thai_Police#Army_deputiz...
- Retric 6y ago
  First police failed to control the situation. But, to make a long story short Republican governor Larry Hogan sent them in. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gov-hogan-leaders-of-congress-pleaded-with-maryland-to-send-aid-to-the-capitol/ar-BB1cyYSE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gov-hogan-leaders-of... As to why, this goes back to the constitution. Article I, Section 8, Clause 15, and Article I, Section 10, Clause 3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Guard
chmod600 6y ago
So the insurrectionists get a time out, or all 70M people who voted for him?
- grey-area 6y ago
  Hopefully Trump (called for insurrection and dictatorship), and the people who constructed a gallows outside and stormed and sacked the capitol (actual insurrection) get a timeout. This should not be controversial if you like living in a democracy.
- DFHippie 6y ago
  I don't know why you would read kemiller2002's comment as implying the actions of the insurrectionists would earn a "timeout" for everyone who voted for Trump. The insurrectionists were eager to be aggrieved about something. I guess they got their wish, those of them going into timeout. We don't all have to adopt this pose.
  - chmod600 6y ago
    Because the original post said "Trump supporters", and the reply said they attacked the capitol and should get a time out.
    - DFHippie 6y ago
      I think that is an uncharitable reading of the comment you were responding to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
      - chmod600 6y ago
        I was asking for clarification of an ambiguity. It's an important ambiguity to clarify, because guilt-by-association moves quickly through society.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  Are you saying voting for the wrong person should be illegal and grounds for prosecution? I mean for one, you wouldn't / shouldn't be able to trace who voted for who; it's called anonymity in voting and it's one of the pillars of democracy. And which party you side with is a massive part of the hostility between citizens of the US right now. It's not just a vote for many, it's a personality, a tribe, something to get entrenched in and lash out to the Other Side.
frockington1 6y ago
The part that worries me is AOCs Truth & Reconciliation Commission. Sounds way to similar to re-education camps and ministry of truths elsewhere

Hopefully they can criticize the government all they want still. It's that storm the Capitol building looking to overthrow the government that is going to earn them a timeout.

xiphias2 6y ago

Still a question remains that why the military went there instead of just the police? Generally the military is trained in killing people and the police in deescalation and keeping order inside the country. I’m still very optimistic for the US. I’m not a Joe Biden fan, but the people who he selected so far look knowledgable, which is a big improvement over many other countries.

klmadfejno 6y ago
Because there were people there hoping to kill political leaders and the police did not have control of the situation.
- Amezarak 6y ago
  The DoJ is now walking back those claims. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/15/qanon-shaman-trump-kill-pardon/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/15/qanon-shama... > On Friday, however, Assistant U.S. Attorney Todd Allison walked back the claim of an assassination plot, saying that while it “may very well be appropriate at a trial,” raising it at this stage could “mislead the court.” [...] > We don’t have any direct evidence of kill/capture teams,” Sherwin said at a Friday news briefing. NB: It never ceases to surprise me that people take the public statements of the FBI/DoJ with its long history of overzealous and often illegal overreaches very uncritically. We're talking about an organization (the FBI) that was controlled by one of the most corrupt men in US political history for nearly half of its existence - J Edgar Hoover. Nothing much has changed. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you are, they are not your friend - they both tried to blackmail MLK into killing himself and sent snipers to murder a hard-right woman holding a baby at Ruby Ridge.
mhh__ 6y ago
The military seem to be, frankly, much better trained than the police. The US military has lots of recent experience in managing situations far more dangerous involving civilians in Afghanistan and The middle East. In contrast the US police are infamously shoot-first questions-later. Biden'd day1 plan has been leaked, it's all good to my eye, although he has a gargantuan task dealing with COVID and rebuilding trust in the government.
miga 6y ago
There was military coup in 2014. In 2016, junta leader gave officers of the army were given police powers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Thai_Police#Army_deputized_as_police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Thai_Police#Army_deputiz...
Retric 6y ago
First police failed to control the situation. But, to make a long story short Republican governor Larry Hogan sent them in. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gov-hogan-leaders-of-congress-pleaded-with-maryland-to-send-aid-to-the-capitol/ar-BB1cyYSE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gov-hogan-leaders-of... As to why, this goes back to the constitution. Article I, Section 8, Clause 15, and Article I, Section 10, Clause 3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Guard

chmod600 6y ago

So the insurrectionists get a time out, or all 70M people who voted for him?

grey-area 6y ago
Hopefully Trump (called for insurrection and dictatorship), and the people who constructed a gallows outside and stormed and sacked the capitol (actual insurrection) get a timeout. This should not be controversial if you like living in a democracy.
DFHippie 6y ago
I don't know why you would read kemiller2002's comment as implying the actions of the insurrectionists would earn a "timeout" for everyone who voted for Trump. The insurrectionists were eager to be aggrieved about something. I guess they got their wish, those of them going into timeout. We don't all have to adopt this pose.
- chmod600 6y ago
  Because the original post said "Trump supporters", and the reply said they attacked the capitol and should get a time out.
  - DFHippie 6y ago
    I think that is an uncharitable reading of the comment you were responding to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
    - chmod600 6y ago
      I was asking for clarification of an ambiguity. It's an important ambiguity to clarify, because guilt-by-association moves quickly through society.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
Are you saying voting for the wrong person should be illegal and grounds for prosecution? I mean for one, you wouldn't / shouldn't be able to trace who voted for who; it's called anonymity in voting and it's one of the pillars of democracy. And which party you side with is a massive part of the hostility between citizens of the US right now. It's not just a vote for many, it's a personality, a tribe, something to get entrenched in and lash out to the Other Side.

frockington1 6y ago

The part that worries me is AOCs Truth & Reconciliation Commission. Sounds way to similar to re-education camps and ministry of truths elsewhere