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>I cannot help but greatly miss the "good old days" when barely any of these gentlemen nor organizations even knew what the internet was and what was going on t

>I cannot help but greatly miss the "good old days" when barely any of these gentlemen nor organizations even knew what the internet was and what was going on there... That last part doesnt seem to have changed that much actually. What changed is that now they try to mess with it anyway.

kahawe 15y ago
Yes, but that does not keep those same people from claiming the authority to "regulate" and "change" it. Though I am wondering how they are actually going to enforce all that on something as vast and international as "the internet". And, let's be honest, all this was and is about absolutely nothing but the music and movie industry crying over allegedly lost sales. Only the wordings used to describe it have changed. (now it was "a more civilized internet"... that sheer smug-ness is hard to miss.) How can two expendable industries have that much influence on politics??? Even with all their lobbying and "donations". It is not like we would suddenly lose our western culture without them.
- bluedanieru 15y ago
  They have a ton of money and cultural/legal obligations which drive them to manipulate legislation and law enforcement in their favor as much as is practicable (and it turns out our governments are corruptible enough that it is infinitely practicable). This fight will probably continue for as long as these organizations exist on the surface of the Earth. Or until they win.
- pyre 15y ago
  Governments have their own non-industry agendas too (i.e. WikiLeaks).
JonnieCache 15y ago
>That last part doesnt seem to have changed that much actually. What changed is that now they try to mess with it anyway. Exactly. The only thing they have done by intervening is amplified the anarchy. In this, at least, they are fulfilling their role as entertainment providers. IMO the internet is even MORE of a wild-west type of place right now than it was ten years ago, despite or even because of attempts at regulation and corporate intervention. Whether this is all about to collapse in on itself, well, thats the million dollar question.
- chopsueyar 15y ago
  Whether this is all about to collapse in on itself, well, thats the million dollar question. I believe it is. Look what is going on. The people who makes the decisions have no understanding of the technology or its possibilities within a societal context. It is the same reason Kevin Mitnick was put in solitary for so long. People in power make poor decisions with misinformation. I say let it collapse and we will move on to the next thing. I remember people in the late 90s, early 00s remarking the internet is a fad. I vehemently disagreed at the time. Now, I believe it to be more likely than less likely. Who knows, maybe Mark Zuckerberg is our Francisco D'Anconia?

kahawe 15y ago

Yes, but that does not keep those same people from claiming the authority to "regulate" and "change" it. Though I am wondering how they are actually going to enforce all that on something as vast and international as "the internet". And, let's be honest, all this was and is about absolutely nothing but the music and movie industry crying over allegedly lost sales. Only the wordings used to describe it have changed. (now it was "a more civilized internet"... that sheer smug-ness is hard to miss.) How can two expendable industries have that much influence on politics??? Even with all their lobbying and "donations". It is not like we would suddenly lose our western culture without them.

bluedanieru 15y ago
They have a ton of money and cultural/legal obligations which drive them to manipulate legislation and law enforcement in their favor as much as is practicable (and it turns out our governments are corruptible enough that it is infinitely practicable). This fight will probably continue for as long as these organizations exist on the surface of the Earth. Or until they win.
pyre 15y ago
Governments have their own non-industry agendas too (i.e. WikiLeaks).

JonnieCache 15y ago

>That last part doesnt seem to have changed that much actually. What changed is that now they try to mess with it anyway. Exactly. The only thing they have done by intervening is amplified the anarchy. In this, at least, they are fulfilling their role as entertainment providers. IMO the internet is even MORE of a wild-west type of place right now than it was ten years ago, despite or even because of attempts at regulation and corporate intervention. Whether this is all about to collapse in on itself, well, thats the million dollar question.

chopsueyar 15y ago
Whether this is all about to collapse in on itself, well, thats the million dollar question. I believe it is. Look what is going on. The people who makes the decisions have no understanding of the technology or its possibilities within a societal context. It is the same reason Kevin Mitnick was put in solitary for so long. People in power make poor decisions with misinformation. I say let it collapse and we will move on to the next thing. I remember people in the late 90s, early 00s remarking the internet is a fad. I vehemently disagreed at the time. Now, I believe it to be more likely than less likely. Who knows, maybe Mark Zuckerberg is our Francisco D'Anconia?