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Not listening to your body when it is talking to you is a guaranteed way to get injured even in a permanent way, your body is not against you, if it is sending

Not listening to your body when it is talking to you is a guaranteed way to get injured even in a permanent way, your body is not against you, if it is sending you a message there is a reason. When it comes to exercise avoid the three Ts. Too much, Too soon, Too fast.

agumonkey 6y ago
I wonder if there's a pain-tickling based program. Simply be very sensitive to your body signals, and cut when you hit 5% pain (absurd quantification but you get the idea)
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dkarl 6y ago
I agree, but I also disagree. There is a lot of discomfort that has nothing to do with long-term physical damage to your body. The author takes the distinction for granted: > I’d have stopped if I felt like I was truly injured I think what the author is talking about is that we start as children from a position of trusting discomfort unconditionally. It distresses us, and we avoid it. Through experience, we learn that that the distress that many types of discomfort causes us is disproportionate, and we start to react to it differently. We even learn to associate certain types of discomfort with the reward of hard work. If life doesn't force these experiences upon us, we have to get them by choice, or else our lives can end up overly constrained by discomfort that we never learned to put into context. But you're right as well. In the gym, people first learn what their bodies can do when they use emotion and bravado to unlock levels of effort and discomfort they had never experienced before. As they gain that ability, they also learn to moderate it, to use it wisely in the context of how their body responds to what they're doing with it. The first without the second is dangerous, and the second without the first is constricting.
- Enginerrrd 6y ago
  Yeah, there's a big difference between being hurt and being injured. I'd go so far as to say that most athletes will deal with both during their career. Learning to manage it is truly an art. If you're too conservative you leave a lot on the table. Being too aggressive absolutely will get you injured. The one consistent thing though that research shows is that if you are considtently doing workouts that you would rate as a 10/10 on your own internal uncalibrated scale, you are at much higher risk for injury. The art of knowing how hard to push yourself isn't something that people just intuitively know. It takes experience of failing in both directions to nail the sweet spot. It's not impossible to learn, but I agree that most athletes don't even have it nailed. Thats one of the things a good coach is for.
  - clipradiowallet 6y ago
    In basic training, drill sergeants used to yell the phrase "Are you hurt, or are you injured?". If you said injured, you went to the medical facility to get checked out, if you said "hurt", expect some fashion of hazing(and you wouldn't repeat "hurt" in the future most likely).
- 1experience 6y ago
  The author doesn't seem to me to be talking about healthy discomfort but suffering, that middle ground between discomfort and injury is what in a multitude of sports will get you hip replacements and herniated discs when you reach your 50s.
Taylor_OD 6y ago
> Not listening to your body when it is talking to you is a guaranteed way to get injured even in a permanent way, your body is not against you, if it is sending you a message there is a reason. As a former college athlete I can't agree with you. It's nearly impossible to tell when you are pushing yourself too hard and when you are just pushing yourself. The first workout of the year feels like you will die. A few weeks later that same workout feels like a warm up. Pain is always involved.
- 1experience 6y ago
  Definitely changes from sport type, referring to bodybuilding/calisthenics I have always felt some kind of difference, the former is much more like the joints and tendons are involved, while the latter is mostly the muscles (DOMS). Either way, there's no need to skip training for a year and then hit the gym in one go (too much, too soon)
yonixw 6y ago
Hmmm but changes in you body habits WILL include some level of discomfort. Whether it is the first workout in a while or trying to eat less after the holidays.
melomal 6y ago
But what about going through a HIIT routine or keep rest low between sets to keep the heart rate high. IMO you cannot tell what your body is 'telling' you until you have pushed and 'suffered' to the point that you know when you body is truly hurt and when it is just feeling some resistance and telling you to stop that because it's too much effort. I know plenty of people who I have tried to train and work with who would give up on the first bead of sweat.
d0mine 6y ago
Often, pain is not about the current state of your tissues, it is about expectations. https://youtu.be/FEsQ70Ci76k https://youtu.be/FEsQ70Ci76k
parliament32 6y ago
What you're missing is that there's a huge difference between toughing it out during "training" and toughing it out during "events". In training, absolutely. If something doesn't feel right, back off, let your body recover. But during events? Whether it's the big through-hike or that marathon or the ironman, you need the ability to push past the pain and suffering, and learn that your body is better than you think at fixing itself. It's effectively impossible to injure yourself in a permanent way, I promise you. Few marathon runners will run a full marathon during training, even at slower paces. Before I ran my first one, the longest training run I ever did was about 35km, with most runs below 25 (for comparison, a marathon is 42.2km). The sheer amount of suffering you'll endure during those last 7.2km is probably the worst you'll ever feel in your life, but slowing to a walk or dropping out at that point is ridiculous. Like the author said, having the mental fortitude to tough it out when the going gets tough is what separates athletes from wannabes -- and knowing the difference between "this is just a training run" and "this is the event I've been preparing for over the last 12 months" is key.
nasmorn 6y ago
The three Ts is a training prescription not a performance one. Doing the AT or running a 5K are not training. If you don’t feel acute pain during. 5K it simply means you could have run faster. Your body might not be against you but it wants to keep you well away from the outer limits of your capabilities. Which is a bit antithetical to sports

agumonkey 6y ago

I wonder if there's a pain-tickling based program. Simply be very sensitive to your body signals, and cut when you hit 5% pain (absurd quantification but you get the idea)

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dkarl 6y ago

I agree, but I also disagree. There is a lot of discomfort that has nothing to do with long-term physical damage to your body. The author takes the distinction for granted: > I’d have stopped if I felt like I was truly injured I think what the author is talking about is that we start as children from a position of trusting discomfort unconditionally. It distresses us, and we avoid it. Through experience, we learn that that the distress that many types of discomfort causes us is disproportionate, and we start to react to it differently. We even learn to associate certain types of discomfort with the reward of hard work. If life doesn't force these experiences upon us, we have to get them by choice, or else our lives can end up overly constrained by discomfort that we never learned to put into context. But you're right as well. In the gym, people first learn what their bodies can do when they use emotion and bravado to unlock levels of effort and discomfort they had never experienced before. As they gain that ability, they also learn to moderate it, to use it wisely in the context of how their body responds to what they're doing with it. The first without the second is dangerous, and the second without the first is constricting.

Enginerrrd 6y ago
Yeah, there's a big difference between being hurt and being injured. I'd go so far as to say that most athletes will deal with both during their career. Learning to manage it is truly an art. If you're too conservative you leave a lot on the table. Being too aggressive absolutely will get you injured. The one consistent thing though that research shows is that if you are considtently doing workouts that you would rate as a 10/10 on your own internal uncalibrated scale, you are at much higher risk for injury. The art of knowing how hard to push yourself isn't something that people just intuitively know. It takes experience of failing in both directions to nail the sweet spot. It's not impossible to learn, but I agree that most athletes don't even have it nailed. Thats one of the things a good coach is for.
- clipradiowallet 6y ago
  In basic training, drill sergeants used to yell the phrase "Are you hurt, or are you injured?". If you said injured, you went to the medical facility to get checked out, if you said "hurt", expect some fashion of hazing(and you wouldn't repeat "hurt" in the future most likely).
1experience 6y ago
The author doesn't seem to me to be talking about healthy discomfort but suffering, that middle ground between discomfort and injury is what in a multitude of sports will get you hip replacements and herniated discs when you reach your 50s.

Taylor_OD 6y ago

> Not listening to your body when it is talking to you is a guaranteed way to get injured even in a permanent way, your body is not against you, if it is sending you a message there is a reason. As a former college athlete I can't agree with you. It's nearly impossible to tell when you are pushing yourself too hard and when you are just pushing yourself. The first workout of the year feels like you will die. A few weeks later that same workout feels like a warm up. Pain is always involved.

1experience 6y ago
Definitely changes from sport type, referring to bodybuilding/calisthenics I have always felt some kind of difference, the former is much more like the joints and tendons are involved, while the latter is mostly the muscles (DOMS). Either way, there's no need to skip training for a year and then hit the gym in one go (too much, too soon)

yonixw 6y ago

Hmmm but changes in you body habits WILL include some level of discomfort. Whether it is the first workout in a while or trying to eat less after the holidays.

melomal 6y ago

But what about going through a HIIT routine or keep rest low between sets to keep the heart rate high. IMO you cannot tell what your body is 'telling' you until you have pushed and 'suffered' to the point that you know when you body is truly hurt and when it is just feeling some resistance and telling you to stop that because it's too much effort. I know plenty of people who I have tried to train and work with who would give up on the first bead of sweat.

d0mine 6y ago

Often, pain is not about the current state of your tissues, it is about expectations. https://youtu.be/FEsQ70Ci76k https://youtu.be/FEsQ70Ci76k

parliament32 6y ago

What you're missing is that there's a huge difference between toughing it out during "training" and toughing it out during "events". In training, absolutely. If something doesn't feel right, back off, let your body recover. But during events? Whether it's the big through-hike or that marathon or the ironman, you need the ability to push past the pain and suffering, and learn that your body is better than you think at fixing itself. It's effectively impossible to injure yourself in a permanent way, I promise you. Few marathon runners will run a full marathon during training, even at slower paces. Before I ran my first one, the longest training run I ever did was about 35km, with most runs below 25 (for comparison, a marathon is 42.2km). The sheer amount of suffering you'll endure during those last 7.2km is probably the worst you'll ever feel in your life, but slowing to a walk or dropping out at that point is ridiculous. Like the author said, having the mental fortitude to tough it out when the going gets tough is what separates athletes from wannabes -- and knowing the difference between "this is just a training run" and "this is the event I've been preparing for over the last 12 months" is key.

nasmorn 6y ago

The three Ts is a training prescription not a performance one. Doing the AT or running a 5K are not training. If you don’t feel acute pain during. 5K it simply means you could have run faster. Your body might not be against you but it wants to keep you well away from the outer limits of your capabilities. Which is a bit antithetical to sports