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> for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens It's never the country that has this power. It's particular government bodies.

by _pmf_ 6y ago

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
In Turkey AKP/Erdogan is the "country". The beef between twitter and Erdogan's AKP is quite old and goes back to at least the times of the coup, and then when the Turkish police got doxxed by CthulhuSec. edit: tone down my own opinion bc toyg is right in their critique
- toyg 6y ago
  > times of the coup (which is a shame it failed), Please take this as a honest suggestion, without any criticism meant: it's easier to persuade people if you limit the display of bias. By simply rewording that as "times of the attempted coup," you remain an objective observer and carry more authority from the reader's perspective. This said, I know it's difficult and that things are tough when it comes to Turkey. Hopefully things will get better at some point, nobody lives forever.
- ulucs 6y ago
  Yeah Turkey would be better off being ruled by an Islamist cult /s. Thanks for providing me with new perspectives HN
- throwaway313371 6y ago
  I was here for the coup where 200 people died and another 2,000 were injured. None of us like AKP or Tayipp, but you really need to shut your mouth hoping that a muslim extremist (Fetullah Gülen) should have taken over the country. Really, that's like hoping that the Evangelical white supremacists had succeeded in taking over the USA last week. wtf is wrong with you? Why do you want terrorists to take over the ONLY democracy in the middle-east? (edited for typo)
  - pjc50 6y ago
    This has been a bit of a problem in the West of backing "rebels" indiscriminately without checking if their politics is actually worse than the politics of those they're rebelling against.
    - throwaway313371 6y ago
      Americans talk about freedom and democracy a lot. Then we fund coups in democratically run countries who just happen not to want to play ball with us, like Iran, Venezuela and Iraq. When it comes back to bite us, "mea culpa, mistakes were made". Americans really need to stay in our lane and learn to look after our own people instead of demonizing others. We cannot even have peaceful elections, and until we fix gerrymandering we have zero moral high ground to talk about the fairness of foreign elections. Come see an election in Turkiye. Turks dislike it, but thy accept the election results. During the last regional elections, I had friends and family members who were election monitors. Some of them stayed in those rooms, staring at the election boxes without leaving for two weeks to ensure the integrity of the election, and that is not an exaggeration. Tayipp lost Istanbul and Ankara, and he did it fantastically. Istanbul's initial margin was 25,000 votes. When Tayipp had the election results annulled, Turks got pissed and he lost the second election by 800,000 votes. Unlike Americans, Turks really care about their democracy.
    - throwaway313371 6y ago
      > quite a lot of Kurds will beg to differ? Huh? Which Kurds? Istanbul Kurds? Black Sea Kurds? Eastern border Kurds? South-Eastern mountain Kurds? My neighborhood in Beşiktaş is 30% Kurd, and 70% of the neighborhood voted HDP (the Kurdish party), including my atheist, liberal family of scientists and engineers. Kurds hate Tayipp too. That's why the HDP won 13% of the vote which finally gave them parliamentary representation in 2015, then again maintained the in the post-coup election. I know Kurds in my neighborhood who RAN down to the bridge to fight the Gulenist tank drivers with their fists. They stood in the streets and screamed at the F-16s flying over the city all night long, and they throw rocks and shot at the black helicopter which hovered over Fulya looking for a place to land. When they realized the helicopter was going to try and land at the BJK youth football field in Dikilitaş, no less than 50 of them went to that field and started shooting at the helicopter, which eventually went down and landed in Besiktas stadium. This isn't a Hollywood movie. The good guys cannot just snap their fingers, fire a few bullets, and win liberation. Tell me exactly, why did Obama and Trump harbor Gülen? Did you know that the secretary of education, DeVos, has thrown fundraising events with Gülen, because he is a fellow billionaire who made his fortune running religious charter schools (Türk lisesli) throughout the world, scamming voucher programs, just like DeVos.

> for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens It's never the country that has this power. It's particular government bodies.

by _pmf_ 6y ago

> for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens It's never the country that has this power. It's particular government bodies.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

In Turkey AKP/Erdogan is the "country". The beef between twitter and Erdogan's AKP is quite old and goes back to at least the times of the coup, and then when the Turkish police got doxxed by CthulhuSec. edit: tone down my own opinion bc toyg is right in their critique

toyg 6y ago
> times of the coup (which is a shame it failed), Please take this as a honest suggestion, without any criticism meant: it's easier to persuade people if you limit the display of bias. By simply rewording that as "times of the attempted coup," you remain an objective observer and carry more authority from the reader's perspective. This said, I know it's difficult and that things are tough when it comes to Turkey. Hopefully things will get better at some point, nobody lives forever.
ulucs 6y ago
Yeah Turkey would be better off being ruled by an Islamist cult /s. Thanks for providing me with new perspectives HN
throwaway313371 6y ago
I was here for the coup where 200 people died and another 2,000 were injured. None of us like AKP or Tayipp, but you really need to shut your mouth hoping that a muslim extremist (Fetullah Gülen) should have taken over the country. Really, that's like hoping that the Evangelical white supremacists had succeeded in taking over the USA last week. wtf is wrong with you? Why do you want terrorists to take over the ONLY democracy in the middle-east? (edited for typo)
- pjc50 6y ago
  This has been a bit of a problem in the West of backing "rebels" indiscriminately without checking if their politics is actually worse than the politics of those they're rebelling against.
  - throwaway313371 6y ago
    Americans talk about freedom and democracy a lot. Then we fund coups in democratically run countries who just happen not to want to play ball with us, like Iran, Venezuela and Iraq. When it comes back to bite us, "mea culpa, mistakes were made". Americans really need to stay in our lane and learn to look after our own people instead of demonizing others. We cannot even have peaceful elections, and until we fix gerrymandering we have zero moral high ground to talk about the fairness of foreign elections. Come see an election in Turkiye. Turks dislike it, but thy accept the election results. During the last regional elections, I had friends and family members who were election monitors. Some of them stayed in those rooms, staring at the election boxes without leaving for two weeks to ensure the integrity of the election, and that is not an exaggeration. Tayipp lost Istanbul and Ankara, and he did it fantastically. Istanbul's initial margin was 25,000 votes. When Tayipp had the election results annulled, Turks got pissed and he lost the second election by 800,000 votes. Unlike Americans, Turks really care about their democracy.
  - throwaway313371 6y ago
    > quite a lot of Kurds will beg to differ? Huh? Which Kurds? Istanbul Kurds? Black Sea Kurds? Eastern border Kurds? South-Eastern mountain Kurds? My neighborhood in Beşiktaş is 30% Kurd, and 70% of the neighborhood voted HDP (the Kurdish party), including my atheist, liberal family of scientists and engineers. Kurds hate Tayipp too. That's why the HDP won 13% of the vote which finally gave them parliamentary representation in 2015, then again maintained the in the post-coup election. I know Kurds in my neighborhood who RAN down to the bridge to fight the Gulenist tank drivers with their fists. They stood in the streets and screamed at the F-16s flying over the city all night long, and they throw rocks and shot at the black helicopter which hovered over Fulya looking for a place to land. When they realized the helicopter was going to try and land at the BJK youth football field in Dikilitaş, no less than 50 of them went to that field and started shooting at the helicopter, which eventually went down and landed in Besiktas stadium. This isn't a Hollywood movie. The good guys cannot just snap their fingers, fire a few bullets, and win liberation. Tell me exactly, why did Obama and Trump harbor Gülen? Did you know that the secretary of education, DeVos, has thrown fundraising events with Gülen, because he is a fellow billionaire who made his fortune running religious charter schools (Türk lisesli) throughout the world, scamming voucher programs, just like DeVos.