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Right off the bat the very first question is ambiguous. The very first sentence states that children must be there at 9am, but then later says that breakfast is

by dvh 6y ago

Right off the bat the very first question is ambiguous. The very first sentence states that children must be there at 9am, but then later says that breakfast is at 7.30. I mean who would give such instructions? Half of the people wants breakfast and other half breakfasts at home.

noobermin 6y ago
That's why they ask for the latest time??? Presumably if some parents cook their kids breakfast and thus would want to bring their kids in later since they would spend some of that time cooking + eating, they can but the kids should be there by the time that the instructions explicitly say should be there? If anything, it is a good test question precisely because it asks for a nuance that could confuse unless the reader actually understands what they read and what question was asked of them.
- dvh 6y ago
  But this is incorrect answer. The kids had to be there before 7.30 or they will be hungry. Latest time non starving kid can be there is 7.30 not 9am. It is "oh btw classes start at 9 but your kid have to be before 7.30". There are two possible latest times and it really cannot be answered until we know if kid ate or not. Is it possible to bring non fed kid at 9, sure but it's not right. This is poorly stated question for a comprehension test. Because it is not stated whether kid is fed or not, therefore latest possible time is 7.30 KidFed Arrival Outcome True 7.30 Good False 7.30 Good True 9.00 Good False 9.00 Bad 9.00 is only time with possible bad outcome. My point is that it is very poorly specified test and that's causing poor results.
  - lifeisstillgood 6y ago
    I agree - there is a sample sentence comprehension - and you have to work hard to understand what the intent of the question is (far harder than actually trying to comprehend the question) cf >>> The sentence-processing items require the respondent to assess whether a sentence makes sense in terms of the properties of the real world or the internal logic of the sentence. Now "a person who is 20 is older than a person who is 30". Does that "make sense"? Is "sense" meaning the statement is true or not? If we ignore if the statement is true and just go with making sense then the next question "a comfortable pillow is soft and rocky" also makes sense even if it is wrong - but i suspect that would be makred as not making sense.

by dvh 6y ago

noobermin 6y ago

That's why they ask for the latest time??? Presumably if some parents cook their kids breakfast and thus would want to bring their kids in later since they would spend some of that time cooking + eating, they can but the kids should be there by the time that the instructions explicitly say should be there? If anything, it is a good test question precisely because it asks for a nuance that could confuse unless the reader actually understands what they read and what question was asked of them.

dvh 6y ago
But this is incorrect answer. The kids had to be there before 7.30 or they will be hungry. Latest time non starving kid can be there is 7.30 not 9am. It is "oh btw classes start at 9 but your kid have to be before 7.30". There are two possible latest times and it really cannot be answered until we know if kid ate or not. Is it possible to bring non fed kid at 9, sure but it's not right. This is poorly stated question for a comprehension test. Because it is not stated whether kid is fed or not, therefore latest possible time is 7.30 KidFed Arrival Outcome True 7.30 Good False 7.30 Good True 9.00 Good False 9.00 Bad 9.00 is only time with possible bad outcome. My point is that it is very poorly specified test and that's causing poor results.
- lifeisstillgood 6y ago
  I agree - there is a sample sentence comprehension - and you have to work hard to understand what the intent of the question is (far harder than actually trying to comprehend the question) cf >>> The sentence-processing items require the respondent to assess whether a sentence makes sense in terms of the properties of the real world or the internal logic of the sentence. Now "a person who is 20 is older than a person who is 30". Does that "make sense"? Is "sense" meaning the statement is true or not? If we ignore if the statement is true and just go with making sense then the next question "a comfortable pillow is soft and rocky" also makes sense even if it is wrong - but i suspect that would be makred as not making sense.