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Where, even in the best, you'll find 1/10th the substance you'll find in the best of books That's assuming people read the best books. Let's not forget that F

by Tade0 6y ago

Where, even in the best, you'll find 1/10th the substance you'll find in the best of books That's assuming people read the best books. Let's not forget that Fifty Shades of Grey was the best selling book of the decade (in the US): https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/2019/fifty-shades-of-grey-was-the-best-selling-book-of-the-decade-in-the-us-the-npd-group-says/ https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/20...

coldtea 6y ago
>That's assuming people read the best books. Not doing that would still make them illiterate in some degree. But even with mediocre books, at least they wouldn't be reading the attention-killing dopamine chasing snippets of BS on most online websites. Do it sound like these "don't read even a book per year" people read The Well or LessWrong or something of the sort online?
- tapland 6y ago
  You don't have to read books at all, and many people who do score poorly on literacy tests. It's not your ability to read words that is relevant, but your ability to understand contexts and meanings.
- alpaca128 6y ago
  > Do it sound like these "don't read even a book per year" people read The Well or LessWrong or something of the sort online? Your reading preferences are not the gold standard in what makes a good book or makes one "literate". The same applies to every other single individual. At the same time the internet obviously doesn't only contain "dopamine chasing snippets of BS". Online discussions and articles can improve critical thinking or make someone think deeper about their views and motivation just like literature can. Yet you deny that by bluntly saying all people reading no books are illiterate. As a side note, before you start gatekeeping literacy you may want to avoid grammar mistakes in your own writing. Though it will not make your point come across less elitist, unfortunately.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >Your reading preferences are not the gold standard in what makes a good book or makes one "literate" Yes, but those were just examples, not meant to pinpoint the golden standard but to illustrate the point. >The same applies to every other single individual. Yes, but it shouldn't apply to a collective cultural consensus. Of course in this era nothing can be said to be of a higher standard, and everything cultural is subjective, lest one offends the high priests of mass culture and their "individual (consumer) is king" religion. So feel free to downvote, like other cultures and eras would have felt free to upvote. >As a side note, before you start gatekeeping literacy you may want to avoid grammar mistakes in your own writing. Ah, the ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with the substance of the argument. Never mind that I'm not a native speaker, and I would like to see how you would have fared in my language :-)
    - alpaca128 6y ago
      > Ah, the ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with the substance of the argument. If you judge others based on what they read you better meet your own standards, that's all I'm saying. > Never mind that I'm not a native speaker Me neither. Even though according to your statements in previous comments I'm illiterate.
      - coldtea 6y ago
        >If you judge others based on what they read you better meet your own standards, that's all I'm saying. I don't judge any particular person, much less one I'm involved in argument with, for that to be an ad-hominen. I also don't abstracty judge people in general/in toto (e.g. morally, or in some such capacity) I judge their literacy/culture etc. For this purpose, "what you read" has historically been even better than a mere correlation / proxy (being "well read" having been an essential attribute of culture).

by Tade0 6y ago

coldtea 6y ago

>That's assuming people read the best books. Not doing that would still make them illiterate in some degree. But even with mediocre books, at least they wouldn't be reading the attention-killing dopamine chasing snippets of BS on most online websites. Do it sound like these "don't read even a book per year" people read The Well or LessWrong or something of the sort online?

tapland 6y ago
You don't have to read books at all, and many people who do score poorly on literacy tests. It's not your ability to read words that is relevant, but your ability to understand contexts and meanings.
alpaca128 6y ago
> Do it sound like these "don't read even a book per year" people read The Well or LessWrong or something of the sort online? Your reading preferences are not the gold standard in what makes a good book or makes one "literate". The same applies to every other single individual. At the same time the internet obviously doesn't only contain "dopamine chasing snippets of BS". Online discussions and articles can improve critical thinking or make someone think deeper about their views and motivation just like literature can. Yet you deny that by bluntly saying all people reading no books are illiterate. As a side note, before you start gatekeeping literacy you may want to avoid grammar mistakes in your own writing. Though it will not make your point come across less elitist, unfortunately.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >Your reading preferences are not the gold standard in what makes a good book or makes one "literate" Yes, but those were just examples, not meant to pinpoint the golden standard but to illustrate the point. >The same applies to every other single individual. Yes, but it shouldn't apply to a collective cultural consensus. Of course in this era nothing can be said to be of a higher standard, and everything cultural is subjective, lest one offends the high priests of mass culture and their "individual (consumer) is king" religion. So feel free to downvote, like other cultures and eras would have felt free to upvote. >As a side note, before you start gatekeeping literacy you may want to avoid grammar mistakes in your own writing. Ah, the ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with the substance of the argument. Never mind that I'm not a native speaker, and I would like to see how you would have fared in my language :-)
  - alpaca128 6y ago
    > Ah, the ad hominem attack that has nothing to do with the substance of the argument. If you judge others based on what they read you better meet your own standards, that's all I'm saying. > Never mind that I'm not a native speaker Me neither. Even though according to your statements in previous comments I'm illiterate.
    - coldtea 6y ago
      >If you judge others based on what they read you better meet your own standards, that's all I'm saying. I don't judge any particular person, much less one I'm involved in argument with, for that to be an ad-hominen. I also don't abstracty judge people in general/in toto (e.g. morally, or in some such capacity) I judge their literacy/culture etc. For this purpose, "what you read" has historically been even better than a mere correlation / proxy (being "well read" having been an essential attribute of culture).