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I doubt that the watermark here is super sophisticated Can you explain more why you doubt this? Zoom has the financial and other resources to be state-of-the-a

I doubt that the watermark here is super sophisticated Can you explain more why you doubt this? Zoom has the financial and other resources to be state-of-the-art here if they wanted to be.

SiempreViernes 6y ago
Given the shoddy security engineering in other bits of their product, why would watermarking be the part they spend a lot of effort on? Presumably preventing things to be stolen at all is more important than finding who did it after the fact.
- Ensorceled 6y ago
  Maybe they bought a high quality, off-the-shelf watermarking tool? Maybe the person hired to do the watermarking is smarter than the group in charge of security?
- deleted 6y ago
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- NineStarPoint 6y ago
  Problems with security engineering can also be an issue of correctly managing priorities more than not having pure technical skill. Spending a ton of effort on watermarking instead of getting the basic security stuff working wouldn’t be that crazy a story in the industry.
- not2b 6y ago
  Because large companies told them their requirements for ditching Webex and adopting Zoom and this was on the list?
sverhagen 6y ago
Zoom has a less than stellar reputation now for security. Meanwhile this entire feature seems like a checkbox for customers, just one more feature to add to the list. There's only going to be a very small segment of customers going to look into the details. It may not be worth it to them yet to build something more sophisticated.
- ddingus 6y ago
  Maybe they just licensed one. Radio has had this tech for a decade.
- jrochkind1 6y ago
  They got that reputation 6+ months ago at the beginning of the pandemic. Since then their revenue has skyrocketted, giving them the capacity to hire, contract, and license to improve their security. They haven't shed the reputation, but reputation management is a different problem than security. Certainly for something high-risk, I would not put much weight on "Well, lots of people think they are bad at security, so the watermarking probably isn't very good".
  - NineStarPoint 6y ago
    6-9 months to find people to hire, hire them, and get them onboarded enough to contribute meaningfully? That isn’t much time at all. Definitely wouldn’t rely on that if I was leaking something, but if they didn’t have it implemented well before the pandemic I doubt they would be there yet.
    - nitrogen 6y ago
      That's plenty of time to integrate a third party technology.

I doubt that the watermark here is super sophisticated Can you explain more why you doubt this? Zoom has the financial and other resources to be state-of-the-art here if they wanted to be.

SiempreViernes 6y ago

Given the shoddy security engineering in other bits of their product, why would watermarking be the part they spend a lot of effort on? Presumably preventing things to be stolen at all is more important than finding who did it after the fact.

Ensorceled 6y ago
Maybe they bought a high quality, off-the-shelf watermarking tool? Maybe the person hired to do the watermarking is smarter than the group in charge of security?
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NineStarPoint 6y ago
Problems with security engineering can also be an issue of correctly managing priorities more than not having pure technical skill. Spending a ton of effort on watermarking instead of getting the basic security stuff working wouldn’t be that crazy a story in the industry.
not2b 6y ago
Because large companies told them their requirements for ditching Webex and adopting Zoom and this was on the list?

sverhagen 6y ago

Zoom has a less than stellar reputation now for security. Meanwhile this entire feature seems like a checkbox for customers, just one more feature to add to the list. There's only going to be a very small segment of customers going to look into the details. It may not be worth it to them yet to build something more sophisticated.

ddingus 6y ago
Maybe they just licensed one. Radio has had this tech for a decade.
jrochkind1 6y ago
They got that reputation 6+ months ago at the beginning of the pandemic. Since then their revenue has skyrocketted, giving them the capacity to hire, contract, and license to improve their security. They haven't shed the reputation, but reputation management is a different problem than security. Certainly for something high-risk, I would not put much weight on "Well, lots of people think they are bad at security, so the watermarking probably isn't very good".
- NineStarPoint 6y ago
  6-9 months to find people to hire, hire them, and get them onboarded enough to contribute meaningfully? That isn’t much time at all. Definitely wouldn’t rely on that if I was leaking something, but if they didn’t have it implemented well before the pandemic I doubt they would be there yet.
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    That's plenty of time to integrate a third party technology.