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I’m not sure where all this hate on parler is coming from. While Twitter allowed the trending of #AssassinateTrump and #killtrump plus all the violence and des

I’m not sure where all this hate on parler is coming from. While Twitter allowed the trending of #AssassinateTrump and #killtrump plus all the violence and destruction orchestrated on Twitter during the BLM protests on hundreds of small businesses in America where far more damage and fatalities occurred then the capital riots and big tech especially Apple, Amazon and Facebook were quite about. This is a collaboration against conservatives and the greatest form of censorship America has ever experienced. This is how democracy dies.

threeseed 6y ago
1. 99.9% of posts about #KillTrump are from conservatives complaining about the keyword. And even back when it was trending at no point was there a specific threat. Whereas Trump and Guiliani were in DC, in front of the Capitol building and directly inciting the attendees. That's the difference. 2. Plenty of conservatives right now on Twitter, Facebook etc. In fact most of them became well-known through those services. Just those who have continued to incite people have been banned (after having been warned on multiple ocassions).
AWildC182 6y ago
> far more damage and fatalities Name the fatalities from BLM activities.
- PixyMisa 6y ago
  How many do you want? Because there have been dozens of murders, even entirely setting aside accidental and incidental deaths.
  - plugger 6y ago
    > 5 in one event?
  - AWildC182 6y ago
    The official number for 2020 appears to be 25 (not including last week), however conservatives seem very interested in representing this as a list of "people BLM murdered" when it's really a list of all deaths due to political violence. It includes people who were killed by police, individuals murdered by far right individuals, and that one guy shot by a left wing extremist at a protest.
    - neartheplain 6y ago
      individuals murdered by far right individuals During the summer’s BLM activities? Name one.
      - SauciestGNU 6y ago
        Two people were murdered by Kyle Rittenhouse, a boogaloo adherent murdered a courthouse guard in California. There's three.
        neartheplain 6y ago
        I'm particularly well-read on the Rittenhouse case. I've seen all the livestreams and tracked new developments as the case approaches trial. My impression of the case clearly differs from yours. I will outline my view and the evidence behind it: Kyle Rittenhouse is not far-right or a "Boogaloo adherent." There is no evidence to back those claims. These claims were made early on with zero proof by US Congresswomen Ayanna Pressley [0], then widely repeated as truth. In actual fact, he's a teenage Republican and former Public Safety Cadet [1]. He acted in self-defense. Extensive video evidence and witness testimony proves this [2]. I'll be surprised if the jury returns a guilty verdict. If you disagree, I'd ask that you review his legal team's video [2] which lays forth most of the evidence in Kyle's favor. Their analysis aligns with and augments that done by the New York Times' Visual Investigations team [3]. The assembled evidence is clear, compelling, and exonerates Rittenhouse. A deep-dive convinced progressive columnist Eric Zorn at the Baltimore Sun of Kyle's innocence [4]. Few of those writing about the case on Twitter and in print have immersed themselves in the evidence this way. As to the California Boogaloo guy, Steven Carrillo: sure, you could call the him far-right. He wasn't a fan of police, Donald Trump, or the Republican Party, per crime scene graffiti and his social media [5]. The Boogaloo movement in general is not ideologically consistent, or consistently far-right, as outlined by GWU professor and extremism researcher JJ MacNab [6]. But to your point, he wasn't part of the Black Lives Matter movement. Carrillo and his accomplice murdered 2 victims. That leaves a significant number of deaths for which the violent elements of BLM remain responsible, and for which almost no one has been held accountable, even just in the public discourse. The tension between those downplayed crimes and the media spotlight on unruly conservatives has stoked anger among many on the right. [0] https://twitter.com/ayannapressley/status/1298780540431224832 https://twitter.com/ayannapressley/status/129878054043122483... [1] https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/report-kenosha-shooting-suspect-is-a-former-member-of-a-youth-police-cadet-program https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/report-kenosha-shooting... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I&t=45s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I&t=45s [3] https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809 https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809 [4] https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-rittenhouse-kenosha-self-defense-zorn-20200903-susvsg45yndn7pb67l42ywnzn4-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-r... [5] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-deputy-ambush-scrawled-extremist-boogaloo-phrases-blood-n1230321 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-deputy-ambu... [6] https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1266767564627034121 https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1266767564627034121
- _-david-_ 6y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_d...
  - AWildC182 6y ago
    I suspect you mean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests#Deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur... ...which is a list of all deaths surrounding the events. There are only a few that actually fall within the bounds of the question: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremacists-rightwing-domestic-terror-2020?ref=hvper.com https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremac...
- neartheplain 6y ago
  Partial list: David Dorn [0], Lorenzo Anderson [1], Antonio Mays Jr. [2], Barry Perkins [3], Chris Beaty [4], Marquis M. Tousant [5], Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. [6], Jessica Doty Whitaker [7], Italia Marie Kelly [8]. Regular shootings and killings also spiked this summer in cities with significant BLM activity [9][10][11]. In the midst of protests and looting in Chicago, that city saw 18 murders within a 24-hour period, its deadliest single day in six decades [12]. These figures exclude excess “deaths of despair” such as from suicide, alcoholism and drug overdose that may result from the $2 billion in economic damage done mostly to private businesses [13]. [0] https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/retired-police-captain-killed-facebook-live-while-protecting-friends-pawn-shop/AI3DM5AH7FE25AKZ7A6WVLFVFY/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/retired-police-captain-k... [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/teen-who-died-in-chop-shooting-wanted-to-be-loved-those-who-knew-him-recall/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/teen-who-died-in-c... [2] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/everybody-down-what-happened-at-the-chop-shooting-that-killed-a-teenager-and-led-to-the-areas-shutdown/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/everybody-down-wha... [3] https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/protester-run-over-killed-fedex-truck-identified/63-f88562a0-63d7-4cc1-91aa-87e1d93ab546 https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/protester-run-over-k... [4] https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/indianapolis/2020/06/12/chris-beaty-visitation-remembered-positive-influence-sports-entertainment-circles/5326846002/ https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/indianapolis/2020/... [5] https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2020/09/04/davenport-iowa-police-ambush-investigation-justified-shooting-marquis-tousant/5713954002/ https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-court... [6] https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/10/21/authorities-id-jackson-mississippi-man-who-died-during-unrest-over-george-floyd/6004661002/ https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/10/21/authorit... [7] https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-shot-killed-argument-black-lives-matter-supporters https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-shot-killed-argumen... [8] https://apnews.com/article/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3 https://apnews.com/article/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3 [9] https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/portland-sees-spikes-in-shootings-homicides-in-july.html https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/portland-sees-spike... [10] https://www.wsbtv.com/news/2-investigates/atlanta-police-activity-drops-murder-rate-increases-2019/WYNQRPG4IZBPVADB46K4S62KT4/ https://www.wsbtv.com/news/2-investigates/atlanta-police-act... [11] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/minneapolis-police-shortage-violence-floyd/2020/11/12/642f741a-1a1d-11eb-befb-8864259bd2d8_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/minneapolis-police-s... [12] https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-deadliest-day-violence-murder-history-police-crime https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago... [13] https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-setting-2-billion-in-damage-new-report-says-here-s-why-the-true-cost-is-even-higher/ https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-se...
mhh__ 6y ago
I'll believe you if you can find BLM people running around the centre of American Democracy looking for scalps. > This is a collaboration against conservatives and the greatest form of censorship America has ever experienced. This is how democracy dies. The US Electoral system is measurably biased towards conservatives, get some perspective.

threeseed 6y ago

1. 99.9% of posts about #KillTrump are from conservatives complaining about the keyword. And even back when it was trending at no point was there a specific threat. Whereas Trump and Guiliani were in DC, in front of the Capitol building and directly inciting the attendees. That's the difference. 2. Plenty of conservatives right now on Twitter, Facebook etc. In fact most of them became well-known through those services. Just those who have continued to incite people have been banned (after having been warned on multiple ocassions).

AWildC182 6y ago

> far more damage and fatalities Name the fatalities from BLM activities.

PixyMisa 6y ago
How many do you want? Because there have been dozens of murders, even entirely setting aside accidental and incidental deaths.
- plugger 6y ago
  > 5 in one event?
- AWildC182 6y ago
  The official number for 2020 appears to be 25 (not including last week), however conservatives seem very interested in representing this as a list of "people BLM murdered" when it's really a list of all deaths due to political violence. It includes people who were killed by police, individuals murdered by far right individuals, and that one guy shot by a left wing extremist at a protest.
  - neartheplain 6y ago
    individuals murdered by far right individuals During the summer’s BLM activities? Name one.
    - SauciestGNU 6y ago
      Two people were murdered by Kyle Rittenhouse, a boogaloo adherent murdered a courthouse guard in California. There's three.
      - neartheplain 6y ago
        I'm particularly well-read on the Rittenhouse case. I've seen all the livestreams and tracked new developments as the case approaches trial. My impression of the case clearly differs from yours. I will outline my view and the evidence behind it: Kyle Rittenhouse is not far-right or a "Boogaloo adherent." There is no evidence to back those claims. These claims were made early on with zero proof by US Congresswomen Ayanna Pressley [0], then widely repeated as truth. In actual fact, he's a teenage Republican and former Public Safety Cadet [1]. He acted in self-defense. Extensive video evidence and witness testimony proves this [2]. I'll be surprised if the jury returns a guilty verdict. If you disagree, I'd ask that you review his legal team's video [2] which lays forth most of the evidence in Kyle's favor. Their analysis aligns with and augments that done by the New York Times' Visual Investigations team [3]. The assembled evidence is clear, compelling, and exonerates Rittenhouse. A deep-dive convinced progressive columnist Eric Zorn at the Baltimore Sun of Kyle's innocence [4]. Few of those writing about the case on Twitter and in print have immersed themselves in the evidence this way. As to the California Boogaloo guy, Steven Carrillo: sure, you could call the him far-right. He wasn't a fan of police, Donald Trump, or the Republican Party, per crime scene graffiti and his social media [5]. The Boogaloo movement in general is not ideologically consistent, or consistently far-right, as outlined by GWU professor and extremism researcher JJ MacNab [6]. But to your point, he wasn't part of the Black Lives Matter movement. Carrillo and his accomplice murdered 2 victims. That leaves a significant number of deaths for which the violent elements of BLM remain responsible, and for which almost no one has been held accountable, even just in the public discourse. The tension between those downplayed crimes and the media spotlight on unruly conservatives has stoked anger among many on the right. [0] https://twitter.com/ayannapressley/status/1298780540431224832 https://twitter.com/ayannapressley/status/129878054043122483... [1] https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/report-kenosha-shooting-suspect-is-a-former-member-of-a-youth-police-cadet-program https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/report-kenosha-shooting... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I&t=45s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I&t=45s [3] https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809 https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809 [4] https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-rittenhouse-kenosha-self-defense-zorn-20200903-susvsg45yndn7pb67l42ywnzn4-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-r... [5] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-deputy-ambush-scrawled-extremist-boogaloo-phrases-blood-n1230321 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-deputy-ambu... [6] https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1266767564627034121 https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1266767564627034121
_-david-_ 6y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_d...
- AWildC182 6y ago
  I suspect you mean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests#Deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur... ...which is a list of all deaths surrounding the events. There are only a few that actually fall within the bounds of the question: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremacists-rightwing-domestic-terror-2020?ref=hvper.com https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremac...
neartheplain 6y ago
Partial list: David Dorn [0], Lorenzo Anderson [1], Antonio Mays Jr. [2], Barry Perkins [3], Chris Beaty [4], Marquis M. Tousant [5], Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. [6], Jessica Doty Whitaker [7], Italia Marie Kelly [8]. Regular shootings and killings also spiked this summer in cities with significant BLM activity [9][10][11]. In the midst of protests and looting in Chicago, that city saw 18 murders within a 24-hour period, its deadliest single day in six decades [12]. These figures exclude excess “deaths of despair” such as from suicide, alcoholism and drug overdose that may result from the $2 billion in economic damage done mostly to private businesses [13]. [0] https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/retired-police-captain-killed-facebook-live-while-protecting-friends-pawn-shop/AI3DM5AH7FE25AKZ7A6WVLFVFY/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/retired-police-captain-k... [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/teen-who-died-in-chop-shooting-wanted-to-be-loved-those-who-knew-him-recall/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/teen-who-died-in-c... [2] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/everybody-down-what-happened-at-the-chop-shooting-that-killed-a-teenager-and-led-to-the-areas-shutdown/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/everybody-down-wha... [3] https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/protester-run-over-killed-fedex-truck-identified/63-f88562a0-63d7-4cc1-91aa-87e1d93ab546 https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/protester-run-over-k... [4] https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/indianapolis/2020/06/12/chris-beaty-visitation-remembered-positive-influence-sports-entertainment-circles/5326846002/ https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/indianapolis/2020/... [5] https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2020/09/04/davenport-iowa-police-ambush-investigation-justified-shooting-marquis-tousant/5713954002/ https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-court... [6] https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/10/21/authorities-id-jackson-mississippi-man-who-died-during-unrest-over-george-floyd/6004661002/ https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2020/10/21/authorit... [7] https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-shot-killed-argument-black-lives-matter-supporters https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-shot-killed-argumen... [8] https://apnews.com/article/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3 https://apnews.com/article/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3 [9] https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/portland-sees-spikes-in-shootings-homicides-in-july.html https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/portland-sees-spike... [10] https://www.wsbtv.com/news/2-investigates/atlanta-police-activity-drops-murder-rate-increases-2019/WYNQRPG4IZBPVADB46K4S62KT4/ https://www.wsbtv.com/news/2-investigates/atlanta-police-act... [11] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/minneapolis-police-shortage-violence-floyd/2020/11/12/642f741a-1a1d-11eb-befb-8864259bd2d8_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/minneapolis-police-s... [12] https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-deadliest-day-violence-murder-history-police-crime https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago... [13] https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-setting-2-billion-in-damage-new-report-says-here-s-why-the-true-cost-is-even-higher/ https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-se...

mhh__ 6y ago

I'll believe you if you can find BLM people running around the centre of American Democracy looking for scalps. > This is a collaboration against conservatives and the greatest form of censorship America has ever experienced. This is how democracy dies. The US Electoral system is measurably biased towards conservatives, get some perspective.