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Can we get some number or range for "lots of"? I imagine those words mean wildly different things (1-2 orders of magnitude) to different people.

XorNot 6y ago
I mean pipe bombs were found at both political party headquarters, so how many bombs is enough to be serious?
- smichel17 6y ago
  You're ascribing intent to my words where there is none. I have no interest in arguing my opinion here. I am interested in reading other people's thoughtfully formed opinions. Using words like "lots of" without clarifying further seems likely to lead to people talking past each other. That's why I commented.
- brandonmenc 6y ago
  Hundreds, at least. https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/ https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/
- nyolfen 6y ago
  puerto rican nationalists stormed the capitol and shot congressmen in 1954; leftists literally bombed the senate chamber in 1983; we somehow managed to persist without restricting civil liberties both times. have you ever even heard of these events? i would wager most of us haven't. this time though, they had a 10,000 page anti-terror bill waiting in the wings and ready to push through, a dark reminder of the patriot act and the post-9/11 expansion of the security state. and just like telecoms and media companies after 9/11, the corporations line up to kiss the ring.
  - d3ad1ysp0rk 6y ago
    Violence against the institutions isn't great, but can you honestly not see the difference between; - 1983, goal: end war in Grenada via terror/threat, action: set bomb off at 11pm (0 deaths, 0 injuries) - 2021, goal: keep former President in office after losing election, kill VP, kill Speaker of House, action: storm capitol (5 deaths, over 100 injuries), bonus: incited by sitting President
    - seneca 6y ago
      > storm capitol (5 deaths, over 100 injuries) This 5 deaths stat is one of the most mealy mouthed details being repeated. 1 police officer was killed, 1 rioter was killed. 2 people died of health related issues (1 stroke, 1 heart attack) while standing around. 1 died in the press of the crowd when people started panicking. 2 deaths were medical issues. 1 was a sad accident. 1 was a tragedy of someone being killed in the line of duty, and 1 was a trespasser paying the price for their actions. Playing it up like 5 innocent people were murdered by violent rioters is disrespectful to the one person who actually was, and is blatant politically motivated propaganda. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-bu...
    - nyolfen 6y ago
      yes, i can see the difference -- who, whom
  - morganw 6y ago
    > puerto rican nationalists stormed the capitol and shot congressmen in 1954;... we somehow managed to persist without restricting civil liberties both times. Because Puerto Rico already had the Ley de la Mordaza since 1948. Also Pedro Albizu Campos had his pardoned revoked.

XorNot 6y ago

I mean pipe bombs were found at both political party headquarters, so how many bombs is enough to be serious?

smichel17 6y ago
You're ascribing intent to my words where there is none. I have no interest in arguing my opinion here. I am interested in reading other people's thoughtfully formed opinions. Using words like "lots of" without clarifying further seems likely to lead to people talking past each other. That's why I commented.
brandonmenc 6y ago
Hundreds, at least. https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/ https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/
nyolfen 6y ago
puerto rican nationalists stormed the capitol and shot congressmen in 1954; leftists literally bombed the senate chamber in 1983; we somehow managed to persist without restricting civil liberties both times. have you ever even heard of these events? i would wager most of us haven't. this time though, they had a 10,000 page anti-terror bill waiting in the wings and ready to push through, a dark reminder of the patriot act and the post-9/11 expansion of the security state. and just like telecoms and media companies after 9/11, the corporations line up to kiss the ring.
- d3ad1ysp0rk 6y ago
  Violence against the institutions isn't great, but can you honestly not see the difference between; - 1983, goal: end war in Grenada via terror/threat, action: set bomb off at 11pm (0 deaths, 0 injuries) - 2021, goal: keep former President in office after losing election, kill VP, kill Speaker of House, action: storm capitol (5 deaths, over 100 injuries), bonus: incited by sitting President
  - seneca 6y ago
    > storm capitol (5 deaths, over 100 injuries) This 5 deaths stat is one of the most mealy mouthed details being repeated. 1 police officer was killed, 1 rioter was killed. 2 people died of health related issues (1 stroke, 1 heart attack) while standing around. 1 died in the press of the crowd when people started panicking. 2 deaths were medical issues. 1 was a sad accident. 1 was a tragedy of someone being killed in the line of duty, and 1 was a trespasser paying the price for their actions. Playing it up like 5 innocent people were murdered by violent rioters is disrespectful to the one person who actually was, and is blatant politically motivated propaganda. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-bu...
  - nyolfen 6y ago
    yes, i can see the difference -- who, whom
- morganw 6y ago
  > puerto rican nationalists stormed the capitol and shot congressmen in 1954;... we somehow managed to persist without restricting civil liberties both times. Because Puerto Rico already had the Ley de la Mordaza since 1948. Also Pedro Albizu Campos had his pardoned revoked.