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Do you mean like when Kathy Griffin was holding up the presidents bloody head with no recourse? Or the summer riots which were heavily coordinated on Twitter?

Do you mean like when Kathy Griffin was holding up the presidents bloody head with no recourse? Or the summer riots which were heavily coordinated on Twitter? Twitter is still in the app stores. Extremism is on Twitter, Facebook, and all platforms, yet they came together like a mob and eliminated the one they didnt like.

pstuart 6y ago
It was a stupid gesture on her part and she paid a step price for that act, so it wasn't so free. When talking about the riots that happened it important to acknowledge all the players. Most of the protesters against police brutality were peaceful and exercising first amendment rights of the first degree -- complaining about government abuses. There are recorded cases of agents provocateur, e.g., https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-floyd-rioting/571932272/ https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-... And the police themselves were not passive in these regards, at least in the case when the protesters were not about white nationalism.
- trident5000 6y ago
  No platform recourse and they didnt even ban the material, even today. You could say the capital protestors were “mostly peaceful” as well as the vast majority did not storm the building. Even those on the capital steps were a tiny minority of who showed up. Im really not here to argue case by case and combat mental gymnastics for why one sides extremism is ok but the others is not. Im simply pointing out that all platforms have extremism and calls for violence but only one was banned swiftly.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    So you're saying that she didn't have a right to post that picture at all? Again, what she did was stupid and tasteless, but if you think that it was intended as a call for violence then you're venturing into Rorschach test territory. The capitol "protest" was designed to lead to the attack on the house. Perhaps many present were just there to just "speak up" but the breach itself was no accident.
- jimmydorry 6y ago
  She posted it again with impunity, so it basically was free, seeing as she was not deplatformed after the first or second time doing it.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    She lost a lot of work over it -- therefore she did pay a price. As stupid and tasteless as it was, to make it into a call for others to cut off his head is specious at best. And that's a key issue in play: the intent of the the message. You're engaging in weak whataboutism.
    - zaroth 6y ago
      I don’t see how this can be dismissed as “whataboutism” to discuss examples of how the specific policy under discussion should impact different types of speech. It’s literally the topic of discussion. You could say, two sides of the same coin, but it’s not even really that. Where do you draw the line for violence and inciteful speech? If you’re willing the draw a different line depending on the policy goals of the person speaking, then you’re taking a political position not a moral one.
    - roenxi 6y ago
      > You're engaging in weak whataboutism. One of the major threads of the political discourse is that right wing businesses, representatives and protestors are being treated differently than left wing ones. How would you - even theoretically - make that case without drawing comparisons? There is little room to argue that if any figure associated with the right was waving a mock severed head around that would be cause for extreme social, business or potentially legal consequences and/or people losing faith in basic civil liberties. There would be panic. The standards are too visibly different for the gap to be dismissed.
      - pstuart 6y ago
        Left wing protestors were protesting against police brutality. And violence occurring at those protests must be recognized as having outside agitators intent on derailing the peaceful protest. The right wing protestors at the capitol were trying to overturn the results of the democratic process, and were prepared to do so by force. There's a difference there.
travisporter 6y ago
Yes, I agree. Iran's supreme leader is still on twitter. But a counterpoint is that that ISIS was driven out of twitter and FB systematically. Correct me but you're implying in your statement is they "eliminated the one they didn't like [because of political views]" but that's not necessarily the only reason EDIT: Given your other responses, we're at an impasse. Bowing out.
- trident5000 6y ago
  I forgot the other reason: to give a gift to the new party in power in hopes of stopping the anti-trust cases. The dems were nudging some of them, ill be interested to see if we get a magical 180 degree turn.
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- Acrobatic_Road 6y ago
  ISIS and other islamists are very much still on twitter.

pstuart 6y ago

It was a stupid gesture on her part and she paid a step price for that act, so it wasn't so free. When talking about the riots that happened it important to acknowledge all the players. Most of the protesters against police brutality were peaceful and exercising first amendment rights of the first degree -- complaining about government abuses. There are recorded cases of agents provocateur, e.g., https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-floyd-rioting/571932272/ https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-... And the police themselves were not passive in these regards, at least in the case when the protesters were not about white nationalism.

trident5000 6y ago
No platform recourse and they didnt even ban the material, even today. You could say the capital protestors were “mostly peaceful” as well as the vast majority did not storm the building. Even those on the capital steps were a tiny minority of who showed up. Im really not here to argue case by case and combat mental gymnastics for why one sides extremism is ok but the others is not. Im simply pointing out that all platforms have extremism and calls for violence but only one was banned swiftly.
- pstuart 6y ago
  So you're saying that she didn't have a right to post that picture at all? Again, what she did was stupid and tasteless, but if you think that it was intended as a call for violence then you're venturing into Rorschach test territory. The capitol "protest" was designed to lead to the attack on the house. Perhaps many present were just there to just "speak up" but the breach itself was no accident.
jimmydorry 6y ago
She posted it again with impunity, so it basically was free, seeing as she was not deplatformed after the first or second time doing it.
- pstuart 6y ago
  She lost a lot of work over it -- therefore she did pay a price. As stupid and tasteless as it was, to make it into a call for others to cut off his head is specious at best. And that's a key issue in play: the intent of the the message. You're engaging in weak whataboutism.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    I don’t see how this can be dismissed as “whataboutism” to discuss examples of how the specific policy under discussion should impact different types of speech. It’s literally the topic of discussion. You could say, two sides of the same coin, but it’s not even really that. Where do you draw the line for violence and inciteful speech? If you’re willing the draw a different line depending on the policy goals of the person speaking, then you’re taking a political position not a moral one.
  - roenxi 6y ago
    > You're engaging in weak whataboutism. One of the major threads of the political discourse is that right wing businesses, representatives and protestors are being treated differently than left wing ones. How would you - even theoretically - make that case without drawing comparisons? There is little room to argue that if any figure associated with the right was waving a mock severed head around that would be cause for extreme social, business or potentially legal consequences and/or people losing faith in basic civil liberties. There would be panic. The standards are too visibly different for the gap to be dismissed.
    - pstuart 6y ago
      Left wing protestors were protesting against police brutality. And violence occurring at those protests must be recognized as having outside agitators intent on derailing the peaceful protest. The right wing protestors at the capitol were trying to overturn the results of the democratic process, and were prepared to do so by force. There's a difference there.

travisporter 6y ago

Yes, I agree. Iran's supreme leader is still on twitter. But a counterpoint is that that ISIS was driven out of twitter and FB systematically. Correct me but you're implying in your statement is they "eliminated the one they didn't like [because of political views]" but that's not necessarily the only reason EDIT: Given your other responses, we're at an impasse. Bowing out.

trident5000 6y ago
I forgot the other reason: to give a gift to the new party in power in hopes of stopping the anti-trust cases. The dems were nudging some of them, ill be interested to see if we get a magical 180 degree turn.
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Acrobatic_Road 6y ago
ISIS and other islamists are very much still on twitter.