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You are spot on. We are so self-centered that we think an AI superintelligence will be something like a superintelligent-human-mind/person inside a computer, wh

You are spot on. We are so self-centered that we think an AI superintelligence will be something like a superintelligent-human-mind/person inside a computer, when most likely, it will be nothing like a human and probably completely unrecognizable to us. In fact, I'd argue it's already here and already taken over. Most of us are now enslaved by screens and the Internet, we are addicted to them, even if we don't want to admit it. Some might say these things are run by humans, but are humans really in charge? Can any single person turn off the internet or prevent everyone else from using their phones/screens for hours every day? Is even a group of people capable of doing it? And even if they could, would they? Maybe if humans went extinct, the Internet and screens would disappear, but that just means there's a symbiotic relationship, not that we are by any means in control.

fao_ 6y ago
> Can any single person turn off the internet or prevent everyone else from using their phones/screens for hours every day? Google "ICANN" https://deadline.com/2020/07/internet-down-outage-cloudflare-hack-dns-google-1202988757/ https://deadline.com/2020/07/internet-down-outage-cloudflare... https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/25/21719396/amazon-web-services-aws-outage-down-internet https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/25/21719396/amazon-web-serv...
- jwally 6y ago
  Google: "I CAN"
- ta1234567890 6y ago
  Are you implying Google did it on purpose to prevent this super-intelligence from taking over? To me it seems like the opposite, the outage was untintentional and then humans worked really hard to fix it. It's almost as if we were the cells of the body of this super-intelligence.
  - fao_ 6y ago
    > Are you implying Google did it on purpose to prevent this super-intelligence from taking over? Why are you reading that from what I said? I wasn't responding to the superintelligence thing (as I hadn't quoted it), and that seems like the weirdest reading from what I responded to. The claim was: "Can any single person turn off the internet or prevent everyone else from using their phones/screens for hours every day?" And I responded with proof that that is marginally possible. Probably not a single person, but a well-trained well-connected group could do it very easily.
    - ta1234567890 6y ago
      I understand. However, what I'm saying is that even if that capability exists, in practice it doesn't matter, as it is something that we will never act on becauae we've already been taken over. That outage example shows that people will immediately act to restore, preserve and expand the system, never destroy it.
      - fao_ 6y ago
        This is a rather spurious assumption, that you have there. 'The system' that you're referring to in most likelyhood is just an aspect of science fiction, as such there is no provable threat from the internet, and it doesn't make any kind of capitalistic sense to turn off the infrastructure upon which rests, for example, the stock market, the banking infrastructure, a small portion of the communications infrastructure. Now, if there were a provable, tangible threat to these systems remaining, and it was seen to likely be a GH-0 'Dead Greenhouse' scenario[0], then I think it would push people to take action. But I don't think you can claim that "people will never turn off the internet, ever", simply because as-such they have never done it. With that line of logic the USSR would never have got humanity to space[1]. [0]: http://www.scpwiki.com/k-class-complete-list http://www.scpwiki.com/k-class-complete-list [1]: The USSR won "the space race", by getting humans into orbit first (Which is why it's called "the space race" and not "the moon race")
    - aaron695 6y ago
      > but a well-trained well-connected group could do it very easily. Yes, but we would send in armed troops to stop them and reverse their actions. I guess your point is the Super Intelligence has fully infiltrated our government, military and law enforcement. It is far more than just the internet.
SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago
> I've wondered if the AI superintelligence everyone is watching out for is actually slowly being built from the bottom up, and encompasses evening in the entire world. every time someone tries this idea of training an AI on "the internet" it comes out badly racist / bigoted. Garbage in, Garbage out. 1) https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-ch... 2) https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/01/14/lee-luda-ai-chatbot-facebook-messenger-lesbians-racism-homophobia-discrimination/ https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/01/14/lee-luda-ai-chatbot-fa...

fao_ 6y ago

> Can any single person turn off the internet or prevent everyone else from using their phones/screens for hours every day? Google "ICANN" https://deadline.com/2020/07/internet-down-outage-cloudflare-hack-dns-google-1202988757/ https://deadline.com/2020/07/internet-down-outage-cloudflare... https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/25/21719396/amazon-web-services-aws-outage-down-internet https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/25/21719396/amazon-web-serv...

jwally 6y ago
Google: "I CAN"
ta1234567890 6y ago
Are you implying Google did it on purpose to prevent this super-intelligence from taking over? To me it seems like the opposite, the outage was untintentional and then humans worked really hard to fix it. It's almost as if we were the cells of the body of this super-intelligence.
- fao_ 6y ago
  > Are you implying Google did it on purpose to prevent this super-intelligence from taking over? Why are you reading that from what I said? I wasn't responding to the superintelligence thing (as I hadn't quoted it), and that seems like the weirdest reading from what I responded to. The claim was: "Can any single person turn off the internet or prevent everyone else from using their phones/screens for hours every day?" And I responded with proof that that is marginally possible. Probably not a single person, but a well-trained well-connected group could do it very easily.
  - ta1234567890 6y ago
    I understand. However, what I'm saying is that even if that capability exists, in practice it doesn't matter, as it is something that we will never act on becauae we've already been taken over. That outage example shows that people will immediately act to restore, preserve and expand the system, never destroy it.
    - fao_ 6y ago
      This is a rather spurious assumption, that you have there. 'The system' that you're referring to in most likelyhood is just an aspect of science fiction, as such there is no provable threat from the internet, and it doesn't make any kind of capitalistic sense to turn off the infrastructure upon which rests, for example, the stock market, the banking infrastructure, a small portion of the communications infrastructure. Now, if there were a provable, tangible threat to these systems remaining, and it was seen to likely be a GH-0 'Dead Greenhouse' scenario[0], then I think it would push people to take action. But I don't think you can claim that "people will never turn off the internet, ever", simply because as-such they have never done it. With that line of logic the USSR would never have got humanity to space[1]. [0]: http://www.scpwiki.com/k-class-complete-list http://www.scpwiki.com/k-class-complete-list [1]: The USSR won "the space race", by getting humans into orbit first (Which is why it's called "the space race" and not "the moon race")
  - aaron695 6y ago
    > but a well-trained well-connected group could do it very easily. Yes, but we would send in armed troops to stop them and reverse their actions. I guess your point is the Super Intelligence has fully infiltrated our government, military and law enforcement. It is far more than just the internet.

SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago

> I've wondered if the AI superintelligence everyone is watching out for is actually slowly being built from the bottom up, and encompasses evening in the entire world. every time someone tries this idea of training an AI on "the internet" it comes out badly racist / bigoted. Garbage in, Garbage out. 1) https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-ch... 2) https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/01/14/lee-luda-ai-chatbot-facebook-messenger-lesbians-racism-homophobia-discrimination/ https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/01/14/lee-luda-ai-chatbot-fa...