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Uhm, what is missing from most of these 'but whistleblower!' comments is that this woman is an unhinged stalker who, after having an affair with one of her stud

by roel_v 6y ago

Uhm, what is missing from most of these 'but whistleblower!' comments is that this woman is an unhinged stalker who, after having an affair with one of her students, went off the rails and was fired from Florida State University in 2017 for it: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344121/Married-Florida-data-scientist-fired-affair-student-arrested-three-times.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8344121/Married-Flo... . That link has mugshots and parts of the court proceedings, this is not 'slander' from what I can tell. Now, she might still have been pushed in one direction or another, but she has a documented history of being unstable to the extreme; to say that it seems she has a penchant for attracting drama is to put it mildly.

proverbialbunny 6y ago
It could be slander, because unfortunately the daily mail has a history of making up garbage. Getting fired from a university, getting called in to a psych ward to make sure she was okay, and then immediately after being let go is pretty irrelevant to the case. I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure this would be objected as irrelevant if anyone tried to use it in the court case. For all we know it may even be defamation.
- roel_v 6y ago
  Yes I know about the Daily Mail's reputation, but the court documents are linked in the post. I don't have PACER access so I can't verify, but this is one that would be very easy to refute. Also, there are many other online sources reporting on this, and they have been for a long time (see e.g. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6999800-Jones-Stalking-Affidavit.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6999800-Jones-Stalki... ) Is all of this relevant to the whistle blower case? Well, it might not be, but this sort of backstory does call up many questions. How did a person with a history of inappropriate sexual conduct with subordinates get a management position in the first place?
  - proverbialbunny 6y ago
    >How did a person with a history of inappropriate sexual conduct with subordinates get a management position in the first place? If it happened it was a relationship between two consenting adults, so there is not really a reason for them to care.
    - abduhl 6y ago
      There is a presumption that any relationship between a teacher and their student is non-consensual. This is memorialized in nearly every school’s code of conduct that I have ever seen. If it happened then it was sexual harassment at a minimum and most likely rape.
      - proverbialbunny 6y ago
        The article doesn't say she was a professor, so it's hard to say. It really is a garbage article. As far as I can tell everything in the article is hearsay, which doesn't help. Even the evidence is based off of hearsay. >any relationship between a teacher and their student is non-consensual That's because teachers teach students typically under the age of 18. Professors teach adults. She obviously wasn't a high school teacher. Some universities have no policy against professor student relationships, though in the last 10 years that has quickly been changing.
        roel_v 6y ago
        Stop spreading misinformation. THE COURT CASE IS LINKED IN TFA, and I linked it again (from another source) above. The article does say that she was an instructor. Not a tenured professor but the person she had the relationship with was her student. All of this is described in the unhinged 300+ page document she wrote where she herself documented in cringy detail how their "relationship" unfolded (WHICH IS PART OF THE COURT CASE). Just because two people are adults doesn't make a relationship between them not dodgy; think about how bad it is for a doctor to date a patient. The situation here isn't quite as bad (well, if you start stalking a former student after they break up with you, I guess one could also argue that this case is much worse than some other situations where everything unfolds amicably), but still, relationships between people in power and those over whom the power is wielded are not just socially frowned upon, they are recognized as Bad News (if not always strictly illegal) for a long time now. I'm not sure why you're so insistent on defending if not a sexual predator then at least someone with highly questionable judgement. And again, maybe all of this has little to do with the whistleblower stuff, but there is no question about whether or not it's true that she had an inappropriate extramartial affair with a student, stalked him after he tried to end it and was fired over the whole ordeal.

by roel_v 6y ago

proverbialbunny 6y ago

It could be slander, because unfortunately the daily mail has a history of making up garbage. Getting fired from a university, getting called in to a psych ward to make sure she was okay, and then immediately after being let go is pretty irrelevant to the case. I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure this would be objected as irrelevant if anyone tried to use it in the court case. For all we know it may even be defamation.

roel_v 6y ago
Yes I know about the Daily Mail's reputation, but the court documents are linked in the post. I don't have PACER access so I can't verify, but this is one that would be very easy to refute. Also, there are many other online sources reporting on this, and they have been for a long time (see e.g. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6999800-Jones-Stalking-Affidavit.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6999800-Jones-Stalki... ) Is all of this relevant to the whistle blower case? Well, it might not be, but this sort of backstory does call up many questions. How did a person with a history of inappropriate sexual conduct with subordinates get a management position in the first place?
- proverbialbunny 6y ago
  >How did a person with a history of inappropriate sexual conduct with subordinates get a management position in the first place? If it happened it was a relationship between two consenting adults, so there is not really a reason for them to care.
  - abduhl 6y ago
    There is a presumption that any relationship between a teacher and their student is non-consensual. This is memorialized in nearly every school’s code of conduct that I have ever seen. If it happened then it was sexual harassment at a minimum and most likely rape.
    - proverbialbunny 6y ago
      The article doesn't say she was a professor, so it's hard to say. It really is a garbage article. As far as I can tell everything in the article is hearsay, which doesn't help. Even the evidence is based off of hearsay. >any relationship between a teacher and their student is non-consensual That's because teachers teach students typically under the age of 18. Professors teach adults. She obviously wasn't a high school teacher. Some universities have no policy against professor student relationships, though in the last 10 years that has quickly been changing.
      - roel_v 6y ago
        Stop spreading misinformation. THE COURT CASE IS LINKED IN TFA, and I linked it again (from another source) above. The article does say that she was an instructor. Not a tenured professor but the person she had the relationship with was her student. All of this is described in the unhinged 300+ page document she wrote where she herself documented in cringy detail how their "relationship" unfolded (WHICH IS PART OF THE COURT CASE). Just because two people are adults doesn't make a relationship between them not dodgy; think about how bad it is for a doctor to date a patient. The situation here isn't quite as bad (well, if you start stalking a former student after they break up with you, I guess one could also argue that this case is much worse than some other situations where everything unfolds amicably), but still, relationships between people in power and those over whom the power is wielded are not just socially frowned upon, they are recognized as Bad News (if not always strictly illegal) for a long time now. I'm not sure why you're so insistent on defending if not a sexual predator then at least someone with highly questionable judgement. And again, maybe all of this has little to do with the whistleblower stuff, but there is no question about whether or not it's true that she had an inappropriate extramartial affair with a student, stalked him after he tried to end it and was fired over the whole ordeal.