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That may be true but the USSR is a collapsed state, we should be comparing wealthy countries. According to this the US is mostly in the high top 10 for outcome

That may be true but the USSR is a collapsed state, we should be comparing wealthy countries. According to this the US is mostly in the high top 10 for outcomes in cancer and cardiovascular disease treatment outcomes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare#Outcome_of_cardiovascular_disease_care https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_o... But the US spends more than double the OECD average per capita to achieve those marginal gains: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/OECD_health_expenditure_per_capita_by_country.svg/1920px-OECD_health_expenditure_per_capita_by_country.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/OE... There's an argument to be made that the cost overruns are paying for better outcomes, or maybe the outcomes have some sample bias due to Americans being less healthy, or sicker people are seeking treatment in the US. But on the other hand, the gains are so marginal that those costs might also be due to significant corruption and regulatory capture.

xyzelement 6y ago
I didn't make this clear - I agree with you about the USSR, but the point I meant to make is that on metrics like cost and availability of care, it would look "better" than the US.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  No one who is legit just compares cost and availability they are going to also include the health levels of the nation, time to actually getting an appointment, time to get a surgery for a condition, etc. You can't just pick out two variables and say "see I'm right!" . There are a ton of European health markets that are superior to the US market when comparing multiple variables. We need to copy them or do something very similar rather than being stubborn assholes and think everything has to be home grown.

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That may be true but the USSR is a collapsed state, we should be comparing wealthy countries. According to this the US is mostly in the high top 10 for outcome

by CoolGuySteve 6y ago

xyzelement 6y ago
I didn't make this clear - I agree with you about the USSR, but the point I meant to make is that on metrics like cost and availability of care, it would look "better" than the US.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  No one who is legit just compares cost and availability they are going to also include the health levels of the nation, time to actually getting an appointment, time to get a surgery for a condition, etc. You can't just pick out two variables and say "see I'm right!" . There are a ton of European health markets that are superior to the US market when comparing multiple variables. We need to copy them or do something very similar rather than being stubborn assholes and think everything has to be home grown.