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Truly the work of a patriot who loves America.

supergirl 6y ago
well do you consider Snowden a patriot? he also committed some light treason
koalaman 6y ago
You're joking but the right wing media apparatus has successfully convinced a lot of their audience that Putin is more aligned with their notion of a "Patriotic American" than a Democrat like Nancy Pelosi. Which is really just more evidence to show that you can make ignorant people believe just about any message if you deliver it a certain way and often enough.
- eznzt 6y ago
  I think it's reached the point of "who hates America more, the Russians or Pelosi?"
- BitwiseFool 6y ago
  "you can make *ignorant* people believe just about any message if you deliver it a certain way and often enough." I don't want to be 'that guy' but even smart and well informed people can be manipulated with the right techniques. Anyone can be manipulated and none of us should ever think we are immune. We're all human.
  - causalmodels 6y ago
    Furthermore the belief that I, a smart and well informed person, am immune to manipulation is a vulnerability those seeking to manipulate you can exploit.
  - Lutzb 6y ago
    While I agree that everyone can be manipulated and we should never consider us immune to manipulation, I would still argue that certain groups of people are more easily manipulated.
  - chrischen 6y ago
    While I agree in general, the nuance is that certain people are in fact more susceptible than others. Hypnotists bring up a bunch of people on stage just to find the one most susceptible to their tricks. On the other hand, well designed manipulation like YouTube’s recommended videos can keep even the least ignorant people enthralled in videos.
  - threatofrain 6y ago
    You can make a poker player believe anything but I’m not surprised that some people can’t break even.
  - koalaman 6y ago
    You're right of course. We're all susceptible. I still maintain that ignorance is the dry kindling to misinformation's fire, while a well-educated populace is more like damp log.
- bobthechef 6y ago
  I doubt anyone thinks that, expect that some people who say they are patriots believe that Pelosi is acting detrimentally when it comes to the common good in America. That is a reasonable criticism in general. Politics involves a great deal of claiming that someone else’s policies are detrimental. No one would claim Putin is “more aligned”, only perhaps less of a danger. They may also believe that Putin is at least instrumentally better for Russia than Pelosi is due America.
dang 6y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait to HN, regardless of how strongly you disagree with or feel about something. It leads to significantly lower-quality discussion. Perhaps you don't owe them better, but you owe this community better if you're posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

well do you consider Snowden a patriot? he also committed some light treason

You're joking but the right wing media apparatus has successfully convinced a lot of their audience that Putin is more aligned with their notion of a "Patriotic American" than a Democrat like Nancy Pelosi. Which is really just more evidence to show that you can make ignorant people believe just about any message if you deliver it a certain way and often enough.

eznzt 6y ago
I think it's reached the point of "who hates America more, the Russians or Pelosi?"
BitwiseFool 6y ago
"you can make *ignorant* people believe just about any message if you deliver it a certain way and often enough." I don't want to be 'that guy' but even smart and well informed people can be manipulated with the right techniques. Anyone can be manipulated and none of us should ever think we are immune. We're all human.
- causalmodels 6y ago
  Furthermore the belief that I, a smart and well informed person, am immune to manipulation is a vulnerability those seeking to manipulate you can exploit.
- Lutzb 6y ago
  While I agree that everyone can be manipulated and we should never consider us immune to manipulation, I would still argue that certain groups of people are more easily manipulated.
- chrischen 6y ago
  While I agree in general, the nuance is that certain people are in fact more susceptible than others. Hypnotists bring up a bunch of people on stage just to find the one most susceptible to their tricks. On the other hand, well designed manipulation like YouTube’s recommended videos can keep even the least ignorant people enthralled in videos.
- threatofrain 6y ago
  You can make a poker player believe anything but I’m not surprised that some people can’t break even.
- koalaman 6y ago
  You're right of course. We're all susceptible. I still maintain that ignorance is the dry kindling to misinformation's fire, while a well-educated populace is more like damp log.
bobthechef 6y ago
I doubt anyone thinks that, expect that some people who say they are patriots believe that Pelosi is acting detrimentally when it comes to the common good in America. That is a reasonable criticism in general. Politics involves a great deal of claiming that someone else’s policies are detrimental. No one would claim Putin is “more aligned”, only perhaps less of a danger. They may also believe that Putin is at least instrumentally better for Russia than Pelosi is due America.

dang 6y ago

Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait to HN, regardless of how strongly you disagree with or feel about something. It leads to significantly lower-quality discussion. Perhaps you don't owe them better, but you owe this community better if you're posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html