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The fed were tipped off by an ex. The most telling part of the terrorist attack on the capital is how many family members, coworkers, and acquaintances couldn’t

The fed were tipped off by an ex. The most telling part of the terrorist attack on the capital is how many family members, coworkers, and acquaintances couldn’t wait to turn them in. There was a story this morning about a wife turning in her husband for threatening to shoot their children if the children “snitched.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/capitol-rioter-guy-reffitt-threatened-to-shoot-his-kids-if-they-snitched-feds https://www.thedailybeast.com/capitol-rioter-guy-reffitt-thr...

IgorPartola 6y ago
Why does it feel like whenever these nimrods do something really really stupid or really really atrocious, there is always people coming out of the woodwork and trying to show that if you squint really hard while looking at the situation through a TV playing Fox or OAN you will find some part of it that's maybe possibly could be explained as something being off (but still requires a massive conspiracy)? Like, what's more likely that this woman became radicalized by watching propaganda all day every day and in a misguided attempt to be a patriot committed a crime? Or that there is some massive web that at every turn explains why it's never the alt right's fault? Remember the 75 year old that was pushed down by the police in Buffalo, NY and cracked his skull on the pavement? Well if you believe some, he was wearing a blood sac in his mouth and there was a little tube you can kinda see in the video that allowed him to squirt the blood out and make it look like he was hurt. Someone legitimately tried to argue this with me, in an in-person discussion. And let's break it down: 1. Police officers that pushed him were either in on it, I guess with some ulterior motive to make themselves look bad, or were comically bad at showing any evidence or giving testimony that there was a blood sac. 2. The first responders that came didn't notice the lack of wound or the fake blood, or were also all in on it. 3. The bystanders did the same as above. 4. The probably at least a dozen hospital staff that interacted with the man in the multiple days that followed when he stayed in the hospital all ignored the fact that we wasn't actually hurt. 5. The hospital had him stay there for multiple days for no reason because, you know, our hospitals here are really awesome about letting people just stay if they aren't sick/hurt. 6. The multiple reporting crews that came to see him all failed to notice that he wasn't hurt. 7. The entire video is a deep fake or filmed in a controlled environment and none of it was real. How hard do you have to squint to believe that any of the above is possible? And that's one story of thousands, each of which has an explanation as simple as "crisis actors" or "antifa staged it" or "false flag". And back to the original assertion, what about the woman whose daughter tipped off the FBI? What about the siblings? Does everyone have a conflict of interest and we should dismiss all these cases because of them despite the photo and video evidence we have? Sort yourself out. Edit: video of the 75 year old man in Buffalo. Warning, this is graphic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeewU0HhNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeewU0HhNE
kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
Somebody has to fill out the left half of the bell curve.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  Makes you wonder what smarter people were able to accomplish that we haven't or will never hear about.
  - mensetmanusman 6y ago
    The original american revolution was almost entirely propaganda driven by the elite and succeeded in convincing the population to move on.
- Florin_Andrei 6y ago
  Additionally, if you already believe the Qanon stuff, that's a pretty good guess you're on the wrong side of that curve.
- trianglem 6y ago
  That’s the qanon side of the curve
  - dang 6y ago
    Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN? You've unfortunately been doing a ton of that, and if it keeps up we're going to have to ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We've had to warn you many times about this kind of thing. The slack eventually runs out.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait to HN. It leads to significantly lower-quality discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
rodgerd 6y ago
The Venn diagram of terrorists and domestic abusers is a circle, or near enough as makes no difference.
- naniwaduni 6y ago
  That ... doesn't seem quite right, no.
  - IntelMiner 6y ago
    I'd disagree People that are unhinged in their view of reality enough to think that they're going to just - Take a week off work - Book a hotel room - Board a plane - Take down the government - Fly home - Go back to work People who think that can be integrated into "just another day" are likely unhinged enough that they'd become violent when "challenged" at home on much smaller issues
    - IgorPartola 6y ago
      This is going to be a major generalization here, but "they aren't sending their best". One of the people at the riots was flying two flags: a US flag and a Georgia flag below that. That is Georgia the country, because he didn't think to check what the state's flag actually looks like. These people walked for an hour between the two ropes in the Statuary Hall. These people took selfies while committing multiple federal felony crimes. I don't know how this relates to domestic abuse, but it certainly points to few people there using their brains to full capacity.
  - rodgerd 6y ago
    Pretty much every Islamic terror attack in Australia (which is a small sample, I know) involves domestic abuse as a pre-cursor, for example. The links between misogyny and Islamic extremist groups are pretty well-documented. Given the degree to which research suggests that a similar current exists in right-wing extremism in the US[1], it's not a reach. [1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/what-motivates-the-motivated-reasoning-of-pro-trump-conspiracists/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/what-motivates-the-m...

IgorPartola 6y ago

Why does it feel like whenever these nimrods do something really really stupid or really really atrocious, there is always people coming out of the woodwork and trying to show that if you squint really hard while looking at the situation through a TV playing Fox or OAN you will find some part of it that's maybe possibly could be explained as something being off (but still requires a massive conspiracy)? Like, what's more likely that this woman became radicalized by watching propaganda all day every day and in a misguided attempt to be a patriot committed a crime? Or that there is some massive web that at every turn explains why it's never the alt right's fault? Remember the 75 year old that was pushed down by the police in Buffalo, NY and cracked his skull on the pavement? Well if you believe some, he was wearing a blood sac in his mouth and there was a little tube you can kinda see in the video that allowed him to squirt the blood out and make it look like he was hurt. Someone legitimately tried to argue this with me, in an in-person discussion. And let's break it down: 1. Police officers that pushed him were either in on it, I guess with some ulterior motive to make themselves look bad, or were comically bad at showing any evidence or giving testimony that there was a blood sac. 2. The first responders that came didn't notice the lack of wound or the fake blood, or were also all in on it. 3. The bystanders did the same as above. 4. The probably at least a dozen hospital staff that interacted with the man in the multiple days that followed when he stayed in the hospital all ignored the fact that we wasn't actually hurt. 5. The hospital had him stay there for multiple days for no reason because, you know, our hospitals here are really awesome about letting people just stay if they aren't sick/hurt. 6. The multiple reporting crews that came to see him all failed to notice that he wasn't hurt. 7. The entire video is a deep fake or filmed in a controlled environment and none of it was real. How hard do you have to squint to believe that any of the above is possible? And that's one story of thousands, each of which has an explanation as simple as "crisis actors" or "antifa staged it" or "false flag". And back to the original assertion, what about the woman whose daughter tipped off the FBI? What about the siblings? Does everyone have a conflict of interest and we should dismiss all these cases because of them despite the photo and video evidence we have? Sort yourself out. Edit: video of the 75 year old man in Buffalo. Warning, this is graphic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeewU0HhNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFeewU0HhNE

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago

Somebody has to fill out the left half of the bell curve.

dehrmann 6y ago
Makes you wonder what smarter people were able to accomplish that we haven't or will never hear about.
- mensetmanusman 6y ago
  The original american revolution was almost entirely propaganda driven by the elite and succeeded in convincing the population to move on.
Florin_Andrei 6y ago
Additionally, if you already believe the Qanon stuff, that's a pretty good guess you're on the wrong side of that curve.
trianglem 6y ago
That’s the qanon side of the curve
- dang 6y ago
  Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN? You've unfortunately been doing a ton of that, and if it keeps up we're going to have to ban you. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We've had to warn you many times about this kind of thing. The slack eventually runs out.
dang 6y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait to HN. It leads to significantly lower-quality discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

rodgerd 6y ago

The Venn diagram of terrorists and domestic abusers is a circle, or near enough as makes no difference.

naniwaduni 6y ago
That ... doesn't seem quite right, no.
- IntelMiner 6y ago
  I'd disagree People that are unhinged in their view of reality enough to think that they're going to just - Take a week off work - Book a hotel room - Board a plane - Take down the government - Fly home - Go back to work People who think that can be integrated into "just another day" are likely unhinged enough that they'd become violent when "challenged" at home on much smaller issues
  - IgorPartola 6y ago
    This is going to be a major generalization here, but "they aren't sending their best". One of the people at the riots was flying two flags: a US flag and a Georgia flag below that. That is Georgia the country, because he didn't think to check what the state's flag actually looks like. These people walked for an hour between the two ropes in the Statuary Hall. These people took selfies while committing multiple federal felony crimes. I don't know how this relates to domestic abuse, but it certainly points to few people there using their brains to full capacity.
- rodgerd 6y ago
  Pretty much every Islamic terror attack in Australia (which is a small sample, I know) involves domestic abuse as a pre-cursor, for example. The links between misogyny and Islamic extremist groups are pretty well-documented. Given the degree to which research suggests that a similar current exists in right-wing extremism in the US[1], it's not a reach. [1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/what-motivates-the-motivated-reasoning-of-pro-trump-conspiracists/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/what-motivates-the-m...