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Like a lot of posts about degoogling, this one also does not list a valid alternative to youtube.

by mvanbaak 6y ago

fsflover 6y ago
https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/
- mvanbaak 6y ago
  My main problem there is content. The way I 'de-youtubed' is by having a youtube-dl setup where I send channels or single video id's to, and it downloads it without using my home or work infra so google things it's just some random visitor. This downloaded video material is added to a plex server specifically for this and that's the way I consume it. Was hoping to see some alternatives in those blogposts, but looks like everyone runs into the same problem: most content is simply @ youtube :(
fossuser 6y ago
YouTube is the only Google service that I still use and I think that’s fine. Once you have everything else replaced, paying for YouTube premium and using it like Netflix is a good model. I wouldn’t put personal videos up there, and if you’re a creator you should double post to YouTube and somewhere else in case your account is killed.
benrapscallion 6y ago
I believe there is a Firefox plugin that redirects to invidious but I don’t have enough experience with it (yet) to include it in my blog post. Also I have found it to be a bit of a hit or a miss.
itisit 6y ago
Of comparable breadth and depth, there isn't one unfortunately.
m8s 6y ago
I don't think there is a valid alternative to YouTube, but I've found bookmarking creators instead of subscribing with an account to be a fine way to enjoy some content without having it tied to your Google account. It's not perfect though. Perhaps Patreon can partly fill that niche instead?
- mancerayder 6y ago
  There's no Patreon app for Apple TV from what I can see. I pay three Patreon creators but never log into the account, watching their stuff on YouTube after the fact (they release a few days later on there). Why is it so hard? That's what I want to know. Is Apple somehow conspiring too?
  - izacus 6y ago
    It's hard because YouTube invests stupid amount of time to get advertisers on board which pay the video creators. Content is on YT because the creators are being paid for it - and an alternative platform will need to find a solution for that. On top of the existing hard problem of making a good video streaming service that doesn't go bankrupt. Patreon helps, but remember that most creators now get paid by Patreon AND by YouTube.
    - mancerayder 6y ago
      I guess what I'm curious about is why there's no Patreon App for Apple TV (and I'm guessing smart TV too but I avoid that due to ads). It feels like Patreon is trapped in a world where they think people will watch things on mobile - something I never do unless I'm on a plane.
      - izacus 6y ago
        Uhm, Patreon isn't a video app though? When you tap videos in mobile app they still open in YouTube for most of my content creators.
        6y ago
zeta0134 6y ago
As an app for browsing content exclusively available on YouTube, I use NewPipe on a FOSS build of Android and am fairly happy with it. It does subscriptions (channel bookmarks, basically) without requiring a login, and that's plenty good enough for me. As far as a video sharing platform, I don't think there's anything with quite the flood of content, since YouTube is such a household name. I'm looking into running a PeerTube instance as an alternative to stuff I want to publish, so I'm not at risk of Google pulling my plug randomly, but I'm also not looking to make money with any of my videos. My limited personal utility will be easily met by a far inferior platform.
- mssundaram 6y ago
  Can you explain more about "FOSS build of Android"?
alpaca128 6y ago
I just started using Odysee(based on/connected with lbry) and I must say while it obviously doesn't compete in terms of content and the front page suggests it's a popular location for conspiracy nuts you can actually find a lot of well-known YouTube channels on there. In fact I'm pretty certain that if this continues it'll be able to compete with YouTube in the long run; mainly because content creators can just upload everything to both platforms for a chance to reach a larger audience and at the same time have a "backup" in case Google bans their account for a random reason. I've seen multiple channels either moving completely to lbry or just mentioning it in their YouTube videos with the hint that the other platform also has their videos but without ads. Considering YouTube has a terrible reputation when it comes to their weird content filtering, monetization rules and completely broken copyright strike system it might not need a huge push to get some momentum.
Nextgrid 6y ago
An Invidious instance is a good solution.
mark_l_watson 6y ago
I am happy enough using ProtonMail and calendar, Duck Duck Go, and Apple services. But, I use tons of Google services that I pay for: Youtube Premium via Youtube Music, Google Photos (pay for extra storage), books, GCP. I like being able to search Google Photos, and that is one killer feature that Apple Photos does not have (my iPhone automatically uploads all pictures to both, as well as OneDrive). As individuals, we all need to decide where to draw the line re: privacy. I found a setup that I am comfortable with.

Like a lot of posts about degoogling, this one also does not list a valid alternative to youtube.

fsflover 6y ago

https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/

mvanbaak 6y ago
My main problem there is content. The way I 'de-youtubed' is by having a youtube-dl setup where I send channels or single video id's to, and it downloads it without using my home or work infra so google things it's just some random visitor. This downloaded video material is added to a plex server specifically for this and that's the way I consume it. Was hoping to see some alternatives in those blogposts, but looks like everyone runs into the same problem: most content is simply @ youtube :(

fossuser 6y ago

YouTube is the only Google service that I still use and I think that’s fine. Once you have everything else replaced, paying for YouTube premium and using it like Netflix is a good model. I wouldn’t put personal videos up there, and if you’re a creator you should double post to YouTube and somewhere else in case your account is killed.

benrapscallion 6y ago

I believe there is a Firefox plugin that redirects to invidious but I don’t have enough experience with it (yet) to include it in my blog post. Also I have found it to be a bit of a hit or a miss.

itisit 6y ago

Of comparable breadth and depth, there isn't one unfortunately.

m8s 6y ago

I don't think there is a valid alternative to YouTube, but I've found bookmarking creators instead of subscribing with an account to be a fine way to enjoy some content without having it tied to your Google account. It's not perfect though. Perhaps Patreon can partly fill that niche instead?

mancerayder 6y ago
There's no Patreon app for Apple TV from what I can see. I pay three Patreon creators but never log into the account, watching their stuff on YouTube after the fact (they release a few days later on there). Why is it so hard? That's what I want to know. Is Apple somehow conspiring too?
- izacus 6y ago
  It's hard because YouTube invests stupid amount of time to get advertisers on board which pay the video creators. Content is on YT because the creators are being paid for it - and an alternative platform will need to find a solution for that. On top of the existing hard problem of making a good video streaming service that doesn't go bankrupt. Patreon helps, but remember that most creators now get paid by Patreon AND by YouTube.
  - mancerayder 6y ago
    I guess what I'm curious about is why there's no Patreon App for Apple TV (and I'm guessing smart TV too but I avoid that due to ads). It feels like Patreon is trapped in a world where they think people will watch things on mobile - something I never do unless I'm on a plane.
    - izacus 6y ago
      Uhm, Patreon isn't a video app though? When you tap videos in mobile app they still open in YouTube for most of my content creators.
      - 6y ago

zeta0134 6y ago

As an app for browsing content exclusively available on YouTube, I use NewPipe on a FOSS build of Android and am fairly happy with it. It does subscriptions (channel bookmarks, basically) without requiring a login, and that's plenty good enough for me. As far as a video sharing platform, I don't think there's anything with quite the flood of content, since YouTube is such a household name. I'm looking into running a PeerTube instance as an alternative to stuff I want to publish, so I'm not at risk of Google pulling my plug randomly, but I'm also not looking to make money with any of my videos. My limited personal utility will be easily met by a far inferior platform.

mssundaram 6y ago
Can you explain more about "FOSS build of Android"?

alpaca128 6y ago

I just started using Odysee(based on/connected with lbry) and I must say while it obviously doesn't compete in terms of content and the front page suggests it's a popular location for conspiracy nuts you can actually find a lot of well-known YouTube channels on there. In fact I'm pretty certain that if this continues it'll be able to compete with YouTube in the long run; mainly because content creators can just upload everything to both platforms for a chance to reach a larger audience and at the same time have a "backup" in case Google bans their account for a random reason. I've seen multiple channels either moving completely to lbry or just mentioning it in their YouTube videos with the hint that the other platform also has their videos but without ads. Considering YouTube has a terrible reputation when it comes to their weird content filtering, monetization rules and completely broken copyright strike system it might not need a huge push to get some momentum.

Nextgrid 6y ago

An Invidious instance is a good solution.

mark_l_watson 6y ago

I am happy enough using ProtonMail and calendar, Duck Duck Go, and Apple services. But, I use tons of Google services that I pay for: Youtube Premium via Youtube Music, Google Photos (pay for extra storage), books, GCP. I like being able to search Google Photos, and that is one killer feature that Apple Photos does not have (my iPhone automatically uploads all pictures to both, as well as OneDrive). As individuals, we all need to decide where to draw the line re: privacy. I found a setup that I am comfortable with.