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I really enjoy Tantacrul's videos on UX. I hope that he finds time to do some videos on Gnome or KDE someday.

app4soft 6y ago
Yeah, yesterday I played with MuseScore 3.6 a little bit — a lot of fun![0] As for me, MuseScore now took 2nd place (just after Blender, which keep 1st place) on my Top FLOSS software projects lists. P.S. The only issue, as for me, that MuseScore 4[1] (WIP) UI would be switched to QML (JavaScript). I tried its latest nightly builds — it looks like common Electron apps & for me its UI/UX looks horrible. Guess, I would stuck to MuseScore 3.x forever. [0] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1350904572450123778 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1350904572450123778 [video] [1] https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4 https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4
- ArchieMaclean 6y ago
  [1] should be https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4 https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4
  - app4soft 6y ago
    Fixed already, thanks.
- Kelteseth 6y ago
  The new version looks spotless and clean to me. Disclaimer: I'm a QML programmer and would do the same :)
  - app4soft 6y ago
    Ups, thanks for correction. Just fixed it in my comment as well. P.S. JFTR, Why You changed the order of links in your comment?
    - Kelteseth 6y ago
      My bad. Removed the links from my comment :)
- ArchieMaclean 6y ago
  I'm a bit worried about performance with QML since already the UI is a bit slow (not much, but noticeable) and switching to JavaScript might negatively impact that. We'll see.
  - app4soft 6y ago
    That is what I'm worried about too.
  - floatboth 6y ago
    QML is generally faster, especially on high resolution screens, as it's rendered with the GPU.
    - app4soft 6y ago
      Of course, for latest PC with powerful GPU, 16+ cores CPU & 16GB+ of RAM performance may be increased... But, as I has an 10 y/o laptop with integrated, any heavy JavaScript GUI apps (based on QML/Electron) just slowed down performance instead of increasing, in comparison to Qt-based or native GUI apps.
      - detaro 6y ago
        QML is commonly used on <1 GHz embedded devices. Equating QML to bad Electron examples doesn't make sense. (Although Electron/Chromium also have a large range depending on how they are used, in my experience they have a way harder time scaling down to smaller devices)
        app4soft 6y ago
        > QML is commonly used on <1 GHz embedded devices. Yes, I know as an owner of Symbian 9.x device ;) But, here I literally means that actual QML coding style stuck to requirement of modern GPU with OpenGL 2.x (GL ES 2.x) even OpenGL 3/4 support. My laptop has integrated GPU mostly limited to OpenGL 1.x, so all those CSS/QSS animations, which depends on higher OpenGL features, just blows my CPU/GPU into flame.
- pwgentleman 6y ago
  I was quite skeptical when you said "2nd place, after Blender". That was 20 minutes before. I just finished writing down a full score, including lyrics, without ever using this before. This is amazing software, both in looks and usability. I'm just sad I didn't discover this earlier.
  - app4soft 6y ago
    > That was 20 minutes before. :) JFTR, My actual Top5 list of FLOSS apps is: 1. MuseScore 2. Blender 3. SolveSpace 4. AzPainter 5. OpenOrienteering Mapper
    - ognarb 6y ago
      I think you forgot to add Krita.
      - app4soft 6y ago
        > I think you forgot to add Krita. No, I'm NOT forgot to add it ;P I just use AzPainter[0,1] for painting, due to it is much faster & much more compact in comparison to Krita, even to GIMP. And that is why AzPainter is on my Top list ;) [0] https://git.io/azpainter https://git.io/azpainter [1] https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter
    - haberman 6y ago
      Wow, what makes you prefer SolveSpace to FreeCAD or programmatic cad like CadQuery? What do you use it for?
      - app4soft 6y ago
        > what makes you prefer SolveSpace to FreeCAD or programmatic cad like CadQuery? I prefer GUI apps over CLI/scripting. SolveSpace is my main 2D/3D CAD since SolveSpace 2.0 became[0] FLOSS. (previously used KOMPAS-3D, but it is proprietary) Now I'm QA (tester) & i18n (localization) contributor to the SolveSpace development for 6 years now, so you may ask me anything about it. Itself I'm a teacher of design and technology, with a bachelor degree in technical drawing & CGI + master degree in PM, so really like to take part in FLOSS development as UI/UX QA & PM, see my profile on GitHub[1] In last 20 years for curious reasons also I use OpenSCAD QCAD/LibreCAD, FreeCAD and a lot of other FLOSS CAx & GIS apps from-time-to-time (mostly for testing & bug reporting). > What do you use it for? For all CAD-related works (see my #DailySolveSpace[1] resources): solid 3D modeling & producing 2D drawings, simple CAE analyzing, etc. JFTR, I'm moderator of /r/SolveSpace sub on Reddit too. [0] https://librearts.org/2013/08/solvespace-released-under-gpl/ https://librearts.org/2013/08/solvespace-released-under-gpl/ [1] https://github.com/Symbian9 https://github.com/Symbian9 [2] https://git.io/DailySolveSpace https://git.io/DailySolveSpace
- detaro 6y ago
  Describing QML as "Javascript" is not necessarily all that useful. Yes, you can use JS in QML, but that doesn't mean it's actually done by the app in meaningful amounts, or has a meaningful performance impact. And the Musescore devs, from what I've seen, know what they are doing.

Yeah, yesterday I played with MuseScore 3.6 a little bit — a lot of fun![0] As for me, MuseScore now took 2nd place (just after Blender, which keep 1st place) on my Top FLOSS software projects lists. P.S. The only issue, as for me, that MuseScore 4[1] (WIP) UI would be switched to QML (JavaScript). I tried its latest nightly builds — it looks like common Electron apps & for me its UI/UX looks horrible. Guess, I would stuck to MuseScore 3.x forever. [0] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1350904572450123778 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1350904572450123778 [video] [1] https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4 https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4

ArchieMaclean 6y ago
[1] should be https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4 https://musescore.org/en/MuseScore4
- app4soft 6y ago
  Fixed already, thanks.
Kelteseth 6y ago
The new version looks spotless and clean to me. Disclaimer: I'm a QML programmer and would do the same :)
- app4soft 6y ago
  Ups, thanks for correction. Just fixed it in my comment as well. P.S. JFTR, Why You changed the order of links in your comment?
  - Kelteseth 6y ago
    My bad. Removed the links from my comment :)
ArchieMaclean 6y ago
I'm a bit worried about performance with QML since already the UI is a bit slow (not much, but noticeable) and switching to JavaScript might negatively impact that. We'll see.
- app4soft 6y ago
  That is what I'm worried about too.
- floatboth 6y ago
  QML is generally faster, especially on high resolution screens, as it's rendered with the GPU.
  - app4soft 6y ago
    Of course, for latest PC with powerful GPU, 16+ cores CPU & 16GB+ of RAM performance may be increased... But, as I has an 10 y/o laptop with integrated, any heavy JavaScript GUI apps (based on QML/Electron) just slowed down performance instead of increasing, in comparison to Qt-based or native GUI apps.
    - detaro 6y ago
      QML is commonly used on <1 GHz embedded devices. Equating QML to bad Electron examples doesn't make sense. (Although Electron/Chromium also have a large range depending on how they are used, in my experience they have a way harder time scaling down to smaller devices)
      - app4soft 6y ago
        > QML is commonly used on <1 GHz embedded devices. Yes, I know as an owner of Symbian 9.x device ;) But, here I literally means that actual QML coding style stuck to requirement of modern GPU with OpenGL 2.x (GL ES 2.x) even OpenGL 3/4 support. My laptop has integrated GPU mostly limited to OpenGL 1.x, so all those CSS/QSS animations, which depends on higher OpenGL features, just blows my CPU/GPU into flame.
pwgentleman 6y ago
I was quite skeptical when you said "2nd place, after Blender". That was 20 minutes before. I just finished writing down a full score, including lyrics, without ever using this before. This is amazing software, both in looks and usability. I'm just sad I didn't discover this earlier.
- app4soft 6y ago
  > That was 20 minutes before. :) JFTR, My actual Top5 list of FLOSS apps is: 1. MuseScore 2. Blender 3. SolveSpace 4. AzPainter 5. OpenOrienteering Mapper
  - ognarb 6y ago
    I think you forgot to add Krita.
    - app4soft 6y ago
      > I think you forgot to add Krita. No, I'm NOT forgot to add it ;P I just use AzPainter[0,1] for painting, due to it is much faster & much more compact in comparison to Krita, even to GIMP. And that is why AzPainter is on my Top list ;) [0] https://git.io/azpainter https://git.io/azpainter [1] https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter
  - haberman 6y ago
    Wow, what makes you prefer SolveSpace to FreeCAD or programmatic cad like CadQuery? What do you use it for?
    - app4soft 6y ago
      > what makes you prefer SolveSpace to FreeCAD or programmatic cad like CadQuery? I prefer GUI apps over CLI/scripting. SolveSpace is my main 2D/3D CAD since SolveSpace 2.0 became[0] FLOSS. (previously used KOMPAS-3D, but it is proprietary) Now I'm QA (tester) & i18n (localization) contributor to the SolveSpace development for 6 years now, so you may ask me anything about it. Itself I'm a teacher of design and technology, with a bachelor degree in technical drawing & CGI + master degree in PM, so really like to take part in FLOSS development as UI/UX QA & PM, see my profile on GitHub[1] In last 20 years for curious reasons also I use OpenSCAD QCAD/LibreCAD, FreeCAD and a lot of other FLOSS CAx & GIS apps from-time-to-time (mostly for testing & bug reporting). > What do you use it for? For all CAD-related works (see my #DailySolveSpace[1] resources): solid 3D modeling & producing 2D drawings, simple CAE analyzing, etc. JFTR, I'm moderator of /r/SolveSpace sub on Reddit too. [0] https://librearts.org/2013/08/solvespace-released-under-gpl/ https://librearts.org/2013/08/solvespace-released-under-gpl/ [1] https://github.com/Symbian9 https://github.com/Symbian9 [2] https://git.io/DailySolveSpace https://git.io/DailySolveSpace
detaro 6y ago
Describing QML as "Javascript" is not necessarily all that useful. Yes, you can use JS in QML, but that doesn't mean it's actually done by the app in meaningful amounts, or has a meaningful performance impact. And the Musescore devs, from what I've seen, know what they are doing.