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The Fediverse is everything but uncensored--all popular instances have a very strong left-wing set of guidelines and will refuse to federate with you if you don

by eznzt 6y ago

The Fediverse is everything but uncensored--all popular instances have a very strong left-wing set of guidelines and will refuse to federate with you if you don't have the same guidelines.

dsr_ 6y ago
That's the right of free association: you don't have to associate with Nazis if you don't want to.
- eznzt 6y ago
  I'm not advocating they associate with conservatives if they don't want to, I'm replying to the comment which talked about how the Fediverse is "uncensored" when, in practice, it's even more tightly moderated than Twitter.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  Note that the mainstream Fediverse's federation isn't just refusal to "associate with Nazis". If you maintain a server and are not a Nazi yourself, but you federate with a third server where a handful of people said something offensive (and this got blown up in the media even though it was just a handful of nobodies), the mainstream Fediverse will refuse to federate with you. It gets to the point where the Fediverse ends up enforcing a pretty narrowly defined orthodoxy not reflective of even many traditional anti-Nazis. For example, the Fediverse has a conspicuous numbers of strident trans activists in influential positions, and e.g. posting the sort of views that J.K. Rowling held (shared by many intellectuals who consider themselves on the Left) may to outrage and refusal to federate.
claudiawerner 6y ago
>all popular instances have a very strong left-wing set of guidelines Can you point to those guidelines on the top instances? I'm not sure which of the most popular instances prohibit, say, expression of conservative views. Though perhaps you do have a point - they might be more tolerant of far-left views than far-right views. I also think defederation because of lax guidelines doesn't happen as often as defederation because of users of other instances behaving in ways which heavily go against the guidelines - whether it's harassment or posting porn the major instance doesn't want, etc. Fedi, moreso than Twitter, is what you make of it, and there are many (but just not as many) users on 'lax' instances (e.g. FSE or SPC or Smug or Weeaboo.space or Gameliberty... you name it) to talk to. I have an account on a major instance, a 'lax' instance, and my own instance. I have personally found I extract the least value from the local timeline 'lax' instance. I'm skeptical of the idea that defederation-by-association is as common as another commenter here suggests. I don't think it's meaningful to say a newspaper is 'censored' when there's another newspaper stand right next to it that shows every paper in full.
mildred593 6y ago
That's my problem with the fediverse, I'm more far-right that far-left and I find nobody that share my opinions on the fediverse. Until it changes to be more open-minded, I will have to find my way elsewhere.
- claudiawerner 6y ago
  You'd possibly find many people with similar opinions on instances like FreeSpeechExtremist, Gameliberty.club, Shitposter.club, Smuglo.li, etc. There's massive diversity of political opinions on Fedi.
  - eznzt 6y ago
    Ah, for example, these ToS are very reasonable: https://shitposter.club/about https://shitposter.club/about I wish the Fediverse was like that. Since I got off Twitter I've wanted to look for alternatives, but, alas...

by eznzt 6y ago

The Fediverse is everything but uncensored--all popular instances have a very strong left-wing set of guidelines and will refuse to federate with you if you don't have the same guidelines.

dsr_ 6y ago

That's the right of free association: you don't have to associate with Nazis if you don't want to.

eznzt 6y ago
I'm not advocating they associate with conservatives if they don't want to, I'm replying to the comment which talked about how the Fediverse is "uncensored" when, in practice, it's even more tightly moderated than Twitter.
Mediterraneo10 6y ago
Note that the mainstream Fediverse's federation isn't just refusal to "associate with Nazis". If you maintain a server and are not a Nazi yourself, but you federate with a third server where a handful of people said something offensive (and this got blown up in the media even though it was just a handful of nobodies), the mainstream Fediverse will refuse to federate with you. It gets to the point where the Fediverse ends up enforcing a pretty narrowly defined orthodoxy not reflective of even many traditional anti-Nazis. For example, the Fediverse has a conspicuous numbers of strident trans activists in influential positions, and e.g. posting the sort of views that J.K. Rowling held (shared by many intellectuals who consider themselves on the Left) may to outrage and refusal to federate.

claudiawerner 6y ago

>all popular instances have a very strong left-wing set of guidelines Can you point to those guidelines on the top instances? I'm not sure which of the most popular instances prohibit, say, expression of conservative views. Though perhaps you do have a point - they might be more tolerant of far-left views than far-right views. I also think defederation because of lax guidelines doesn't happen as often as defederation because of users of other instances behaving in ways which heavily go against the guidelines - whether it's harassment or posting porn the major instance doesn't want, etc. Fedi, moreso than Twitter, is what you make of it, and there are many (but just not as many) users on 'lax' instances (e.g. FSE or SPC or Smug or Weeaboo.space or Gameliberty... you name it) to talk to. I have an account on a major instance, a 'lax' instance, and my own instance. I have personally found I extract the least value from the local timeline 'lax' instance. I'm skeptical of the idea that defederation-by-association is as common as another commenter here suggests. I don't think it's meaningful to say a newspaper is 'censored' when there's another newspaper stand right next to it that shows every paper in full.

mildred593 6y ago

That's my problem with the fediverse, I'm more far-right that far-left and I find nobody that share my opinions on the fediverse. Until it changes to be more open-minded, I will have to find my way elsewhere.

claudiawerner 6y ago
You'd possibly find many people with similar opinions on instances like FreeSpeechExtremist, Gameliberty.club, Shitposter.club, Smuglo.li, etc. There's massive diversity of political opinions on Fedi.
- eznzt 6y ago
  Ah, for example, these ToS are very reasonable: https://shitposter.club/about https://shitposter.club/about I wish the Fediverse was like that. Since I got off Twitter I've wanted to look for alternatives, but, alas...