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Yes, I've had a similar experience. Gatsby is a dumpster fire once you venture off the beaten path.

madeofpalk 6y ago
Or, stay on the beaten path for too long and get "too big" and it turns into a dumpster fire.
sneak 6y ago
It's also spyware, transmitting your usage without consent: https://www.gatsbyjs.com/docs/telemetry/ https://www.gatsbyjs.com/docs/telemetry/
- rgovostes 6y ago
  "Spyware" has a specific meaning and shouldn't be applied to any instance of data collection you disagree with. That you can point to their documentation about their data collection practices, which are explained in concise English with opt-out instructions, and that this is apparently detailed to the user on install, strongly suggests Gatsby is not spyware. Telemetry can be very valuable to open source projects which have extremely limited resources. The Adium project used telemetry to decide when they could drop support for PowerPC processors and old versions of macOS[0]. Homebrew uses it to track which of its thousands of packages are the most problematic to install[1]. 0: https://sparkle.adium.im/?year=2020&week=*&graph=bar https://sparkle.adium.im/?year=2020&week=*&graph=bar 1: https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/ https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/
  - mrob 6y ago
    Opt-out telemetry is spyware, regardless of how convenient you might find it to spy on your users without their consent. The only ethical telemetry is opt-in, such as the system Debian uses, where users are given the option to install the "popularity-contest" telemetry package during install, with the default being not installing.
  - rightbyte 6y ago
    > We track general usage details, including command invocation, build process status updates, performance measurements, and errors. Sounds like spyware to me to do that without opt-in. Projects that do that wont take your privacy seriously.
  - sneak 6y ago
    Homebrew is also spyware. They transmit your unique identifier to Google every time you run brew, which effectively provides Google with your coarse location tracklog via client IP geolocation. Data collection like this that is done without the consent of the user is extremely unethical, rude, and in some jurisdictions actually illegal. The fact that the data they steal is useful to them is not relevant and your bringing it up is telling. It actually has nothing to do with whether or not I agree with it, and everything to do with whether or not they obtain consent to exfiltrate this information. Neither Homebrew nor Gatsby obtain the consent of the user to transmit their spying data.

Or, stay on the beaten path for too long and get "too big" and it turns into a dumpster fire.

It's also spyware, transmitting your usage without consent: https://www.gatsbyjs.com/docs/telemetry/ https://www.gatsbyjs.com/docs/telemetry/

rgovostes 6y ago
"Spyware" has a specific meaning and shouldn't be applied to any instance of data collection you disagree with. That you can point to their documentation about their data collection practices, which are explained in concise English with opt-out instructions, and that this is apparently detailed to the user on install, strongly suggests Gatsby is not spyware. Telemetry can be very valuable to open source projects which have extremely limited resources. The Adium project used telemetry to decide when they could drop support for PowerPC processors and old versions of macOS[0]. Homebrew uses it to track which of its thousands of packages are the most problematic to install[1]. 0: https://sparkle.adium.im/?year=2020&week=*&graph=bar https://sparkle.adium.im/?year=2020&week=*&graph=bar 1: https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/ https://formulae.brew.sh/analytics/
- mrob 6y ago
  Opt-out telemetry is spyware, regardless of how convenient you might find it to spy on your users without their consent. The only ethical telemetry is opt-in, such as the system Debian uses, where users are given the option to install the "popularity-contest" telemetry package during install, with the default being not installing.
- rightbyte 6y ago
  > We track general usage details, including command invocation, build process status updates, performance measurements, and errors. Sounds like spyware to me to do that without opt-in. Projects that do that wont take your privacy seriously.
- sneak 6y ago
  Homebrew is also spyware. They transmit your unique identifier to Google every time you run brew, which effectively provides Google with your coarse location tracklog via client IP geolocation. Data collection like this that is done without the consent of the user is extremely unethical, rude, and in some jurisdictions actually illegal. The fact that the data they steal is useful to them is not relevant and your bringing it up is telling. It actually has nothing to do with whether or not I agree with it, and everything to do with whether or not they obtain consent to exfiltrate this information. Neither Homebrew nor Gatsby obtain the consent of the user to transmit their spying data.