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> Who cares about a U.S. law outside of US jurisdiction? Alas, Julian Assange for one, as an Australian citizen, indicted for breaking a US law while not in th

> Who cares about a U.S. law outside of US jurisdiction? Alas, Julian Assange for one, as an Australian citizen, indicted for breaking a US law while not in the US. The recent UK court decision not to extradite him to the US nevertheless in no way disputes US standing nor jurisdiction, and he remains in custody while the US appeals. So, we're all living in America.

Daho0n 6y ago
The UK should just get it over with and become a US state.
- avianlyric 6y ago
  Please don’t say things like that. Someone might get the bright idea to put it on a referendum...
  - ben_w 6y ago
    If I had to guess, I’d expect such a referendum to return a “join America” result and then for almost everyone to be surprised that doing so means (1) losing the Queen, (2) losing the Pound, and (3) losing essentially all gun restrictions.
    - arethuza 6y ago
      Wouldn't becoming part of Canada technically fulfil the "join America" goal and allow the Queen to be kept?
      - ben_w 6y ago
        “America” is often shorthand for “USA”, and @Daho0n said “US state”
        arethuza 6y ago
        If it was a UK referendum it would simply say "America" and leave it to after to work out what that actually meant! ;-) [Edit: I can just imagine the slogan of "America means America"]
    - mellosouls 6y ago
      No, obviously our Queen would still supersede the President, and that privilege would be graciously extended to the other states again.
    - vaduz 6y ago
      ... (4) Not actually becoming a US state Not being flippant here - there are territories already within the USA that for various reasons cannot become a "US state".
    - approxim8ion 6y ago
      >losing the Queen Might be the only good thing to come of it.
austhrow743 6y ago
Hew Raymond Griffiths is an even better example. He actually got extradited and convicted. Australian court agreed to treat his activity as having taken place within US jurisdiction despite him never leaving Australia.
tpush 6y ago
There's nothing unusual about this. Obviously you don't have to physically be in a country to commit a crime in that country. If I'm a German citizen residing in France hacking UK hospitals, the UK very obviously would want brought to justice, which both France and Germany would happily agree to in this case, I'd imagine.
- richrichardsson 6y ago
  An unfortunate set of choices you made for the countries there, replace the UK with another EU country and it would stand. > As things stand at the time of writing, following the UK’s departure from the EU [...], the UK will no longer be part of the European Arrest Warrant (EAW) system. This means that, unless and until other arrangements are agreed, future extradition requests with European states will be governed, as with many countries outside the EU, by the 1957 Convention on Extradition, leading to increased costs, delay and complexity in extradition proceedings. Certain EU states already do not extradite their citizens to countries outside the EU. Three EU states – Germany, Austria and Slovenia – have already announced that they may even refuse to surrender their respective nationals to the UK pursuant to an EAW during the transition period.
- totalZero 6y ago
  Well, if the defense is that Assange simply received and published information, then that analogy doesn't exactly fit.
DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
they even use copyright law to hunt and extradite you if they can, Kim Schmitz (aka dotkom) is a good example of what they can do even if you've never set foot in their country. Not to mention those imprisoned and tortured on a US black site or Gitmo (or your friendly neighborhood concentration camp run by ICE).

Daho0n 6y ago

The UK should just get it over with and become a US state.

avianlyric 6y ago
Please don’t say things like that. Someone might get the bright idea to put it on a referendum...
- ben_w 6y ago
  If I had to guess, I’d expect such a referendum to return a “join America” result and then for almost everyone to be surprised that doing so means (1) losing the Queen, (2) losing the Pound, and (3) losing essentially all gun restrictions.
  - arethuza 6y ago
    Wouldn't becoming part of Canada technically fulfil the "join America" goal and allow the Queen to be kept?
    - ben_w 6y ago
      “America” is often shorthand for “USA”, and @Daho0n said “US state”
      - arethuza 6y ago
        If it was a UK referendum it would simply say "America" and leave it to after to work out what that actually meant! ;-) [Edit: I can just imagine the slogan of "America means America"]
  - mellosouls 6y ago
    No, obviously our Queen would still supersede the President, and that privilege would be graciously extended to the other states again.
  - vaduz 6y ago
    ... (4) Not actually becoming a US state Not being flippant here - there are territories already within the USA that for various reasons cannot become a "US state".
  - approxim8ion 6y ago
    >losing the Queen Might be the only good thing to come of it.

austhrow743 6y ago

Hew Raymond Griffiths is an even better example. He actually got extradited and convicted. Australian court agreed to treat his activity as having taken place within US jurisdiction despite him never leaving Australia.

tpush 6y ago

There's nothing unusual about this. Obviously you don't have to physically be in a country to commit a crime in that country. If I'm a German citizen residing in France hacking UK hospitals, the UK very obviously would want brought to justice, which both France and Germany would happily agree to in this case, I'd imagine.

richrichardsson 6y ago
An unfortunate set of choices you made for the countries there, replace the UK with another EU country and it would stand. > As things stand at the time of writing, following the UK’s departure from the EU [...], the UK will no longer be part of the European Arrest Warrant (EAW) system. This means that, unless and until other arrangements are agreed, future extradition requests with European states will be governed, as with many countries outside the EU, by the 1957 Convention on Extradition, leading to increased costs, delay and complexity in extradition proceedings. Certain EU states already do not extradite their citizens to countries outside the EU. Three EU states – Germany, Austria and Slovenia – have already announced that they may even refuse to surrender their respective nationals to the UK pursuant to an EAW during the transition period.
totalZero 6y ago
Well, if the defense is that Assange simply received and published information, then that analogy doesn't exactly fit.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

they even use copyright law to hunt and extradite you if they can, Kim Schmitz (aka dotkom) is a good example of what they can do even if you've never set foot in their country. Not to mention those imprisoned and tortured on a US black site or Gitmo (or your friendly neighborhood concentration camp run by ICE).