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I'm actually in favor of this. Not because I agree with Apple/Google/Amazon etc acting as speech restricting overlords, but because I think it has to get a lot

by aiilns 6y ago

I'm actually in favor of this. Not because I agree with Apple/Google/Amazon etc acting as speech restricting overlords, but because I think it has to get a lot worse before people realize the dangers of what's happening and demand changes that will put such matters out of corporations' hands.

pcdoodle 6y ago
You're nuts. Pressuring big tech to backdoor all encrypted communication because you're scared of a little private hate speech?
- aiilns 6y ago
  I think you misunderstood my comment. I just think that it will take worse restrictions of speech & privacy issues for a complete change in a new direction. Big tech is already pressured to backdoor all encrypted communication (and frankly I think big tech themselves don't care for privacy, quite the opposite). So since (IMHO) it'll take worse things to come for people to take a stand, let it get worse quicker so it gets better quicker. edit to make my point clearer: Letting corporations play the role of "benevolent" leaders on speech & privacy issues _is_ the problem. Trying to pressure them one way or the other _isn't_ the answer. So let them overreach even more, let them anger more people than the ones on Parler, let them show their true face. Let it become an issue for as many people as possible. For it is societies that should find answers collectively on what is tolerable for one to say/publish, how much privacy especially since the information age matters etc. The internet and the huge platforms that the capitalist system has helped create should belong to the people, and what happens there should be a decision for the people to make.
  - BelenusMordred 6y ago
    Creating laws are a few magnitudes easier than undoing them. This idea you have of "let the world burn so we can fix it quicker" is not realistic. The modern legal and political systems on Earth simply don't work this way.
    - aiilns 6y ago
      I don't quite see how creating laws would provide real solutions. I don't think that the world should necessarily "burn", I just think that real change has to come from the changes in societies. People demanding change. The last decades have created such dramatic changes that people have yet to realize and truly comprehend the magnitude of what's going on and how it affects their lives. My hope is that in the coming decades all the issues (free speech, privacy, etc) that the information age touches upon will be a core part of political discussion. The existence of law doesn't necessarily solve the problem. Otherwise, the US wouldn't have a systemic problem of racism and discrimination, they certainly have laws against discrimination, and yet their police (and not just the police) do what they do.

by aiilns 6y ago

pcdoodle 6y ago

You're nuts. Pressuring big tech to backdoor all encrypted communication because you're scared of a little private hate speech?

aiilns 6y ago
I think you misunderstood my comment. I just think that it will take worse restrictions of speech & privacy issues for a complete change in a new direction. Big tech is already pressured to backdoor all encrypted communication (and frankly I think big tech themselves don't care for privacy, quite the opposite). So since (IMHO) it'll take worse things to come for people to take a stand, let it get worse quicker so it gets better quicker. edit to make my point clearer: Letting corporations play the role of "benevolent" leaders on speech & privacy issues _is_ the problem. Trying to pressure them one way or the other _isn't_ the answer. So let them overreach even more, let them anger more people than the ones on Parler, let them show their true face. Let it become an issue for as many people as possible. For it is societies that should find answers collectively on what is tolerable for one to say/publish, how much privacy especially since the information age matters etc. The internet and the huge platforms that the capitalist system has helped create should belong to the people, and what happens there should be a decision for the people to make.
- BelenusMordred 6y ago
  Creating laws are a few magnitudes easier than undoing them. This idea you have of "let the world burn so we can fix it quicker" is not realistic. The modern legal and political systems on Earth simply don't work this way.
  - aiilns 6y ago
    I don't quite see how creating laws would provide real solutions. I don't think that the world should necessarily "burn", I just think that real change has to come from the changes in societies. People demanding change. The last decades have created such dramatic changes that people have yet to realize and truly comprehend the magnitude of what's going on and how it affects their lives. My hope is that in the coming decades all the issues (free speech, privacy, etc) that the information age touches upon will be a core part of political discussion. The existence of law doesn't necessarily solve the problem. Otherwise, the US wouldn't have a systemic problem of racism and discrimination, they certainly have laws against discrimination, and yet their police (and not just the police) do what they do.