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Yes, but - playing Devil's advocate here, I'm a solid believer that vaccination is our best chance out of this - the opposite is also true: because the disease

Yes, but - playing Devil's advocate here, I'm a solid believer that vaccination is our best chance out of this - the opposite is also true: because the disease is so virulent we are willing to play fast and loose with researching long-term side-effects. And unfortunately, the conspiracy theory circles are already full of bullshit about supposed side-effects of the vaccines (one I've seen a lot is that 'women may become temporarily infertile'), despite every trial not showing any such side-effects.

andi999 6y ago
Do you have any source that on " (one I've seen a lot is that 'women may become temporarily infertile'), despite every trial not showing any such side-effects.". I want to forward it to the ppl I know who heard this. To show this, they need to monitor the conception rate after vaccination with the control group. Is this actually monitored? (what I sometimes found that 'no evidence' means 'we do not have data';like they claim in German trains no transmission has ever been found; spoiler, they didnt register and check names of passengers)
- andi999 6y ago
  Instead of downvoting, please provide a peer reviewed reference (or preprint).
tricot 6y ago
A few days ago I read the following blog post from Petra Falb(https://www.ema.europa.eu/sites/default/files/ContactsAndExperts_CVs_and_DOIs/pjanda_CV_en.pdf https://www.ema.europa.eu/sites/default/files/ContactsAndExp...) about long term side-effects and why this is generally not a problem with vaccines: https://verdareno.wordpress.com/2021/01/01/covid-impfstoffe-und-keine-langzeitdaten/ https://verdareno.wordpress.com/2021/01/01/covid-impfstoffe-... I recommend https://www.deepl.com/translator https://www.deepl.com/translator for english translation, as I don't have the time right now unfortunately. I don't have any background in this, so if anybody can chime in with more knowledge than me it would be appreciated. But to me the point she is making sounds reasonable.

andi999 6y ago

Do you have any source that on " (one I've seen a lot is that 'women may become temporarily infertile'), despite every trial not showing any such side-effects.". I want to forward it to the ppl I know who heard this. To show this, they need to monitor the conception rate after vaccination with the control group. Is this actually monitored? (what I sometimes found that 'no evidence' means 'we do not have data';like they claim in German trains no transmission has ever been found; spoiler, they didnt register and check names of passengers)

andi999 6y ago
Instead of downvoting, please provide a peer reviewed reference (or preprint).

tricot 6y ago

A few days ago I read the following blog post from Petra Falb(https://www.ema.europa.eu/sites/default/files/ContactsAndExperts_CVs_and_DOIs/pjanda_CV_en.pdf https://www.ema.europa.eu/sites/default/files/ContactsAndExp...) about long term side-effects and why this is generally not a problem with vaccines: https://verdareno.wordpress.com/2021/01/01/covid-impfstoffe-und-keine-langzeitdaten/ https://verdareno.wordpress.com/2021/01/01/covid-impfstoffe-... I recommend https://www.deepl.com/translator https://www.deepl.com/translator for english translation, as I don't have the time right now unfortunately. I don't have any background in this, so if anybody can chime in with more knowledge than me it would be appreciated. But to me the point she is making sounds reasonable.