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So would you vote for Hitler because of his public sanitation policies, while overlooking his other evil policies? Because this is what Republican voters seem

So would you vote for Hitler because of his public sanitation policies, while overlooking his other evil policies? Because this is what Republican voters seem to be doing: they vote for Trump because they like some of his policies (e.g., lower taxes) while overlooking his other policies (open racism, open misogyny, anti-science, etc.).

xupybd 6y ago
Well I would agree that voting for someone with racist or misogynistic policies would be a problem, however I've not seen any policies or laws that were. You are welcome to prove me wrong. As such I can excuse people for voting for Trump. Especially in a two party system. I suspect many simply always vote Republican and despite Trump's brash public persona they thought he was their best option.
- tstrimple 6y ago
  One example of many: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/29/north-carolina-voter-id-law-struck-down https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/29/north-caroli... > A federal court on Friday struck down North Carolina voting laws it said were enacted with “discriminatory intent”, targeting African Americans “with almost surgical precision”. > Plaintiffs in the suit welcomed what one called “a stinging rebuke” to the Republican-controlled state government, representatives of which questioned the political affiliations of the judges involved and said they would appeal the decision to the US supreme court, because it “ignores legal precedent”.
  - xupybd 6y ago
    How is this an example of Trump being racist? Wasn't this even before he was elected?
- toiletfuneral 6y ago
  Let me ask you, why do racists LOVE Trump? I’m from a rural area, actual racists don’t really like the GOP but think Trump is their savior. Can you explain why?
- alsetmusic 6y ago
  A Muslim travel ban comes to mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769
concordDance 6y ago
> his other policies (open racism, open misogyny, anti-science, etc.). The vast majority of people who vote for him do not think he has policies with these traits. Describing his policies as "open racism", "open sexism", etc requires definitions of those terms so broad that most of the American population (and the vast majority of the world population) would also be guilty of them.
- simonh 6y ago
  Looking at his public statements about women I think it's clear he is a misogynist but mainly in his personal dealings. It's not really a feature of his politics. As for racism I think the Muslim Ban was a case of explicitly racist policy. I know the Supreme Court disagreed, but frankly they are wrong on this.
  - nec4b 6y ago
    Being a Muslim has nothing to do with a race. You have people of all races who are Muslims.
    - simonh 6y ago
      I don't see that it makes any difference. Is discrimination based on either acceptable? If not why does it matter?
      - f1refly 6y ago
        1. You're moving goalposts 2. If discrimination by religion is not acceptable by your standards, why should discrimination based on politics be?
        simonh 6y ago
        Goal posts? Maybe, but I don't think enough that it actually matters. I note you didn't answer my question. Nobody is being discriminated against based on politics. They are being penalised for their personal actions as individual citizens. I have commented on this in more detail elsewhere on this discussion.

xupybd 6y ago

Well I would agree that voting for someone with racist or misogynistic policies would be a problem, however I've not seen any policies or laws that were. You are welcome to prove me wrong. As such I can excuse people for voting for Trump. Especially in a two party system. I suspect many simply always vote Republican and despite Trump's brash public persona they thought he was their best option.

tstrimple 6y ago
One example of many: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/29/north-carolina-voter-id-law-struck-down https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/29/north-caroli... > A federal court on Friday struck down North Carolina voting laws it said were enacted with “discriminatory intent”, targeting African Americans “with almost surgical precision”. > Plaintiffs in the suit welcomed what one called “a stinging rebuke” to the Republican-controlled state government, representatives of which questioned the political affiliations of the judges involved and said they would appeal the decision to the US supreme court, because it “ignores legal precedent”.
- xupybd 6y ago
  How is this an example of Trump being racist? Wasn't this even before he was elected?
toiletfuneral 6y ago
Let me ask you, why do racists LOVE Trump? I’m from a rural area, actual racists don’t really like the GOP but think Trump is their savior. Can you explain why?
alsetmusic 6y ago
A Muslim travel ban comes to mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769

concordDance 6y ago

> his other policies (open racism, open misogyny, anti-science, etc.). The vast majority of people who vote for him do not think he has policies with these traits. Describing his policies as "open racism", "open sexism", etc requires definitions of those terms so broad that most of the American population (and the vast majority of the world population) would also be guilty of them.

simonh 6y ago
Looking at his public statements about women I think it's clear he is a misogynist but mainly in his personal dealings. It's not really a feature of his politics. As for racism I think the Muslim Ban was a case of explicitly racist policy. I know the Supreme Court disagreed, but frankly they are wrong on this.
- nec4b 6y ago
  Being a Muslim has nothing to do with a race. You have people of all races who are Muslims.
  - simonh 6y ago
    I don't see that it makes any difference. Is discrimination based on either acceptable? If not why does it matter?
    - f1refly 6y ago
      1. You're moving goalposts 2. If discrimination by religion is not acceptable by your standards, why should discrimination based on politics be?
      - simonh 6y ago
        Goal posts? Maybe, but I don't think enough that it actually matters. I note you didn't answer my question. Nobody is being discriminated against based on politics. They are being penalised for their personal actions as individual citizens. I have commented on this in more detail elsewhere on this discussion.