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Re diet: putting aside that alcohol-per-capita consumption here in Japan is less than the OECD average [1], and also how the article is actually about how the i
by presentation 6y ago
Re diet: putting aside that alcohol-per-capita consumption here in Japan is less than the OECD average [1], and also how the article is actually about how the introduction of meat into the Japanese diet has caused a decrease in strokes (i.e. this is probably off-topic); it is true that if you are eating out cheaply, you'll likely find lots of rice and meat stuff like gyuudon (beef on rice), katsudon (breaded meat on rice) and what not.
But a normal Japanese meal generally has a pretty good mix of stuff - some fermented side dishes (tsukemono), some veggies, miso soup, some rice or noodles, some fish, maybe some meat. Perhaps my wife is an outlier, but every meal she's cooked for our household has had at least 3 dishes of different categories as a part of it, and my impression from seeing other households and just looking at a typical bento box, is that that's a pretty normal expectation for any healthy meal. Someone else pointed me to this Youtube video on the topic on a different thread, and I'd say it's pretty accurate [2].
When I go to drinking bars, izakayas, with Japanese people they usually tend to do the same and order a variety of small dishes too - it's not common to just get fried chicken (karaage), but rather people almost always also throw in salty drinking foods (otsumami), which usually include seafood, pickles and vegetables (shiokara, takowasa, various tsukemono and so on). Even then, if someone orders sweets or something, they tend to be a lot less unhealthy than American counterparts (use of less calorific ingredients like adzuki beans or black sesame, compared to a cheesecake or something; and if you did order that cheesecake, it'll be 1/4 the size of what you got at the Cheesecake Factory, and be a whole lot less sweet and rich, as you've pointed out).
It's not straightforward to get a really authentic food experience if you're coming as a tourist who doesn't know locals nor the local food scene well. My first impression was also that it's a ton of rice and meat, but after living here it turns out that that is the case... if you think that Japanese food is all sushi and ramen, and are being sold food to satisfy a standard American tourist, who thinks that anything pickled is gross, anything served cold besides ice cream is disgusting, and that a meal that doesn't include a giant hunk of meat, isn't a meal at all. Get past that, and you'll find that most Japanese people don't eat like that at all.
So yeah, I think diet probably does make a significant difference, as you can tell plainly by how few obese people there are in Japan; and recently the government finally seems to be doing things to reduce tobacco consumption (you can't smoke in most bars and restaurants in Tokyo anymore, when you can it's generally e-cigarettes only, fueling a huge shift to IQOS/other brands e-cigs which have as of 2019 taken over around 16% of the tobacco market [3]; anecdotally it feels like a lot more than that as of 2021 living here).
Re culture: Agreed, here in Japan (and in other parts of Asia too) it's pretty normal for friends to tell you things like, "wow, you got fatter since we last met!" to someone who's much less than 26 on the BMI index. It's not really considered insulting like it is in the West. That said, female Japanese models tend to be insanely skinny, creating an unrealistic concept of beauty - but that's hardly unique to Japan.
[1] https://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/profiles/jpn.pdf?ua=1 https://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alco...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4MmmWQtZM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4MmmWQtZM
[3] https://apps.who.int/tobacco/publications/prod_regulation/htps-marketing-monitoring/en/index.html https://apps.who.int/tobacco/publications/prod_regulation/ht...
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- asiachick 6y ago> anything served cold besides ice cream is disgusting, In the west there are salads. They're cold. In Japan salads are rare and usually nothing but iceberg lettuce and cherry tomatoes. > who thinks that anything pickled is gross, The pickled isle of a western super market has more pickled things than the corresponding Japanese super market. They're just different kinds of pickled things. > normal Japanese meal generally has a pretty good mix of stuff And similar in the west isn't it? The normal family dinner is 1 meat dish (beef/chicken/pork/fish), 1 starch dish (bread/potatoes/rice), 1-2 veggie dishes (salad, green beens, peas, carrots, etc...) Japanese "in general" find many western things disgusting. Most Japanese find savory beans gross. As popular as cheese as become in Japan there's still a large percentage of Japanese that have never eaten any or eat it rarely. This is especially true outside big cities where the culture is less influenced by the west. Japanese often can't eat anything other than Japanese food. There are plenty of tours of other countries where you can sign up to have all your meals prepared for you while abroad and all of it will be Japanese food. Many Asian cultures (including Japan), for many people if you haven't eating a bowl of rice you haven't eaten.
- fomine3 6y agoI admit that some cheap Japanese salads tend to made by iceberg lettuce and cherry tomatoes, but it isn't counted as salad?
- presentation 6y agoAgreed that it goes both ways - just making the point that tourists tend to have a pretty warped idea of what the food traditions in the countries they go to are. My point of reference is how annoying it is when you try to go to an oden spot or something and your friend complains that they’re not eating wagyu steaks (which you’ve eaten every week for the last month for each friend visiting Japan pre-corona times), and therefore this meal is unhealthy because it lacks a huge amount of protein. I think a lot of people’s impressions of foreign food are a result of their own pickiness. Specific to the American culinary tradition though I find it pretty wild that for most people I know back home, healthy = salad, there seems to be very little mainstream options besides that. Like you said, it is possible to be healthy; but the default American family meal these days is a far cry from that, even compared to a typical convenience store food eating lazy Japanese person.