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IT is not your friend either. They work for the company, not for you. Legal is not your friend either. They work for the company, not for you. Janitorial staf

IT is not your friend either. They work for the company, not for you. Legal is not your friend either. They work for the company, not for you. Janitorial staff is not your friend either. They work for the company, not for you. Sales is not your friend either. They work for the company, not for you. Marketing is not your friend either. They work for the company, not for you.

emptyparadise 6y ago
Only trust your fists, HR will never help you.
1-6 6y ago
Your co-worker is not your friend either (at first, or may never be).
- gabereiser 6y ago
  So true. More often than not, they see you as an obstacle.
  - eeZah7Ux 6y ago
    Speak for yourself please. Respectfully, this level of cynicism is not shared by everybody.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  I've had co-workers who I considered friends but was disabused of that thought once they no longer needed me for something. Workplaces are funny environments, they aren't natural places to be.
- pydry 6y ago
  I've had coworkers who put other coworkers first. Ive never seen or heard of an HR department that didn't put the dictates of management first.
  - itsdrewmiller 6y ago
    You're comparing individuals to departments. There are certainly people in HR who have put coworkers first. Depending on the company they may have succeeded or not in those actions. "The dictates of management" are what departments do.
ncmncm 6y ago
This is the starry-eyed, optimistic view of workplaces. In fact, in each case management works for themselves. HR, most of all. While engineering management has some pressure toward development goals, sales toward sales targets, and top management toward business development, HR has no such objective targets. Typically they even farm out recruiting. What motivates HR management? In most companies, HR is the center of corruption. They have immense opportunities to collect kickbacks for everything they spend on. They have nothing in common with anybody else in the company, but everything with other HR managers: toilet plunger HR is the same as rocket fuel HR. The most popular discussion topic after hours, at HR conventions, is grifts. This explains why, so often, recruiting is farmed out. You can't collect kickbacks from HR employees, but there are plenty to be had from recruiting agencies; likewise training programs, insurance policies, 401k accounts, and anything else they come in contact with. If they were not motivated by corruption, they would prefer a different department. Management of other departments, and upper management, know this about them, and know that it doesn't matter how they feel about it. Companies have to have HR, and HR has to have HR managers. An HR manager not obviously on the take must be working a deeper grift that might well be worse than the obvious stuff. Extortion, for example, can be lucrative, and HR has access to lots of information others don't. It's better when they are taking care of themselves other ways.
- itronitron 6y ago
  How would one go about getting oneself invited to such a convention? or at least the after-hours social events?
- firstSpeaker 6y ago
  My experience with HR is not that bad :-). Dealt with them in few occasions and I found them to be helpful, at least from where I was looking at the subject. I can totally agree that they are not competent and not dedicated, as far as my personal experience goes. But the corruption I have not seen.
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    They can be extremely helpful IF your needs are in line with the needs of the company, but if your needs are not then they're not going to be so nice.
ardy42 6y ago
That's all true, but misses the point. HR is presented to employees differently than those groups (e.g. they're the people you're supposed to go to for help when you see a wrong happen). In some cases, their actions may even make it seem like they're on your side, but they really aren't.
pugworthy 6y ago
So who is your friend? Your team? I mean they work for the company, not you.
- tomaskafka 6y ago
  Yes, they do.
- mcv 6y ago
  I really hope you have friends outside the company. Your team is not automatically your friend. They are your coworkers (as is your boss and anyone else in the company). It's possible for friendships to grow there, but it's not common.
- elihu 6y ago
  Your friends are your friends. Your friends are the people who help you remember who you are. Some of them might share your same employer.

emptyparadise 6y ago

Only trust your fists, HR will never help you.

1-6 6y ago

Your co-worker is not your friend either (at first, or may never be).

gabereiser 6y ago
So true. More often than not, they see you as an obstacle.
- eeZah7Ux 6y ago
  Speak for yourself please. Respectfully, this level of cynicism is not shared by everybody.
tonyedgecombe 6y ago
I've had co-workers who I considered friends but was disabused of that thought once they no longer needed me for something. Workplaces are funny environments, they aren't natural places to be.
pydry 6y ago
I've had coworkers who put other coworkers first. Ive never seen or heard of an HR department that didn't put the dictates of management first.
- itsdrewmiller 6y ago
  You're comparing individuals to departments. There are certainly people in HR who have put coworkers first. Depending on the company they may have succeeded or not in those actions. "The dictates of management" are what departments do.

ncmncm 6y ago

This is the starry-eyed, optimistic view of workplaces. In fact, in each case management works for themselves. HR, most of all. While engineering management has some pressure toward development goals, sales toward sales targets, and top management toward business development, HR has no such objective targets. Typically they even farm out recruiting. What motivates HR management? In most companies, HR is the center of corruption. They have immense opportunities to collect kickbacks for everything they spend on. They have nothing in common with anybody else in the company, but everything with other HR managers: toilet plunger HR is the same as rocket fuel HR. The most popular discussion topic after hours, at HR conventions, is grifts. This explains why, so often, recruiting is farmed out. You can't collect kickbacks from HR employees, but there are plenty to be had from recruiting agencies; likewise training programs, insurance policies, 401k accounts, and anything else they come in contact with. If they were not motivated by corruption, they would prefer a different department. Management of other departments, and upper management, know this about them, and know that it doesn't matter how they feel about it. Companies have to have HR, and HR has to have HR managers. An HR manager not obviously on the take must be working a deeper grift that might well be worse than the obvious stuff. Extortion, for example, can be lucrative, and HR has access to lots of information others don't. It's better when they are taking care of themselves other ways.

itronitron 6y ago
How would one go about getting oneself invited to such a convention? or at least the after-hours social events?
firstSpeaker 6y ago
My experience with HR is not that bad :-). Dealt with them in few occasions and I found them to be helpful, at least from where I was looking at the subject. I can totally agree that they are not competent and not dedicated, as far as my personal experience goes. But the corruption I have not seen.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  They can be extremely helpful IF your needs are in line with the needs of the company, but if your needs are not then they're not going to be so nice.

ardy42 6y ago

That's all true, but misses the point. HR is presented to employees differently than those groups (e.g. they're the people you're supposed to go to for help when you see a wrong happen). In some cases, their actions may even make it seem like they're on your side, but they really aren't.

pugworthy 6y ago

So who is your friend? Your team? I mean they work for the company, not you.

tomaskafka 6y ago
Yes, they do.
mcv 6y ago
I really hope you have friends outside the company. Your team is not automatically your friend. They are your coworkers (as is your boss and anyone else in the company). It's possible for friendships to grow there, but it's not common.
elihu 6y ago
Your friends are your friends. Your friends are the people who help you remember who you are. Some of them might share your same employer.