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Hoarders love regular CL too. I sold a huge and somewhat expensive 21" CRT monitor on CL and the buyer asked me to deliver it. When I got to his door, he cracke

Hoarders love regular CL too. I sold a huge and somewhat expensive 21" CRT monitor on CL and the buyer asked me to deliver it. When I got to his door, he cracked it open and said just leave the monitor in the hall. The apartment was completely jammed with stuff. Making people who need your stuff pay you in stories or "gratitude" does not appeal to me anyway. Even if I have a $5 item to give away and someone just flips it for profit, that is time they spent and I did not, so the item is still gone from my home and someone who actually wants it gets it. The fact that one other person also benefitted doesn't bother me.

taurath 6y ago
Money makes it a competition. Trading or giving makes it a relationship
- ISL 6y ago
  One can still build a relationship while exchanging money for goods and services.
  - taurath 6y ago
    Yeah but like the people who are hustle Facebook groups and Craigslist generally are not
- dspillett 6y ago
  When I things in this way I'm not looking for either. I'm generally trying to minimise my environmental impact via landfill. Helping others at the same time is a bonus. I'm not looking to make money or friends/community. Not that there is anything wrong with people that are of course. Different folks have different priorities.
  - KozmoNau7 6y ago
    Yeah, if I'm giving something away, it's because I have decided it doesn't really hold any value for me anymore, nor would it be worth the time and hassle to try and sell it. So I'll give it away and if anyone thinks it's worth the time and effort to sell it, that's not for me to decide. Once it is out of my hands, it is no longer mine.
- fsckboy 6y ago
  when you study econ and fall in love with it, money makes things neutral, and every other way comes with strings attached and angst
  - jl2718 6y ago
    You may be falling in love with just one view on the world. There may be things that money can’t capture, or are too complex for financial calculation, or rely too much on hyper-rationalism in everyday interactions. It seems that the human neocortex has evolved mostly for social group formation, and the theory of money is that an economic actor can be nearly basal in their pursuit of it and still produce a functional society. This is a remarkable starting point toward higher levels of organization, but fundamentally proven incorrect. Money does not produce positive results when introduced to cultures without pre-existing large-scale social cooperation based on things like morality. Even in these groups money creates prosperity but makes them vulnerable to extremely profitable forms of parasitism, which ultimately lead to collapse. Money is a good thing, but it has failure modes that exploit the human emotions it was meant to replace, and we haven’t evolved past that point. When I look at the economy, I don’t see hard-nosed rationality maximizing progress toward human achievement. I see 99.99% irrational human emotions or rational exploit of the same, with maybe a few people out there spending a bit of their time on progress.

taurath 6y ago

Money makes it a competition. Trading or giving makes it a relationship

ISL 6y ago
One can still build a relationship while exchanging money for goods and services.
- taurath 6y ago
  Yeah but like the people who are hustle Facebook groups and Craigslist generally are not
dspillett 6y ago
When I things in this way I'm not looking for either. I'm generally trying to minimise my environmental impact via landfill. Helping others at the same time is a bonus. I'm not looking to make money or friends/community. Not that there is anything wrong with people that are of course. Different folks have different priorities.
- KozmoNau7 6y ago
  Yeah, if I'm giving something away, it's because I have decided it doesn't really hold any value for me anymore, nor would it be worth the time and hassle to try and sell it. So I'll give it away and if anyone thinks it's worth the time and effort to sell it, that's not for me to decide. Once it is out of my hands, it is no longer mine.
fsckboy 6y ago
when you study econ and fall in love with it, money makes things neutral, and every other way comes with strings attached and angst
- jl2718 6y ago
  You may be falling in love with just one view on the world. There may be things that money can’t capture, or are too complex for financial calculation, or rely too much on hyper-rationalism in everyday interactions. It seems that the human neocortex has evolved mostly for social group formation, and the theory of money is that an economic actor can be nearly basal in their pursuit of it and still produce a functional society. This is a remarkable starting point toward higher levels of organization, but fundamentally proven incorrect. Money does not produce positive results when introduced to cultures without pre-existing large-scale social cooperation based on things like morality. Even in these groups money creates prosperity but makes them vulnerable to extremely profitable forms of parasitism, which ultimately lead to collapse. Money is a good thing, but it has failure modes that exploit the human emotions it was meant to replace, and we haven’t evolved past that point. When I look at the economy, I don’t see hard-nosed rationality maximizing progress toward human achievement. I see 99.99% irrational human emotions or rational exploit of the same, with maybe a few people out there spending a bit of their time on progress.