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I think it's important to remember this was all said in the context of private messages, so none of this was ever intended to be aired. The fact that messages s

by bArray 6y ago

I think it's important to remember this was all said in the context of private messages, so none of this was ever intended to be aired. The fact that messages sent in private are now made public is itself quite concerning. > “Others have already said so, but I just want to say it > explicitly myself - I think that nazis were present at > some protests on Jan 6, and that it’s very scary to see > those ideas on display,” wrote one engineer in Slack. I am yet to see evidence of Nazis being at the protests - I don't think anybody openly displaying support for Nazi ideals would find wide support in a pro-America crowd. Assuming there were some in the crowd, I am slightly concerned that what was actually meant was "all of those people were Nazis", in which case this is dangerous rhetoric. > “100% Nazis were there, and 1000000000% Nazis are scary as > fuck and do not belong anywhere. PARTICULARLY AT GitHub!” > responded another. This idea that any group "do not belong anywhere" is quite scary. Once you have gained the title of 'Nazi' (which seems to be a more abused label in modern times), then there seems to be this idea that you have no place in society - and that you can have all services removed from you. Even if you are a literal Nazi (or Communist, or <insert bad ideology>), as long as you abide by the laws of the land, you can be a functioning member of society, and as such need the same basic protections. These people should be allowed to open bank accounts, buy groceries, go to work, pay taxes, drink at a bar, etc. We can't de-humanize people because we disagree with the way they think. > “Hubbers are free to express concerns about neo-Nazis, > antisemitism, white supremacy or any other form of > discrimination or harassment,” he wrote. “And of course, > we expect Hubbers to be respectful, professional, and to > follow GitHub policies on discrimination and harassment at > all times.” I miss the days when it was taboo to mention politics or religion in companies. I used to work with a "Nazi" and a "Communist" (as well as a whole range of political leanings), and we worked together fine. I've also worked with alcoholics and drug addicts. Generally we all agreed that if we want to do these things, we do it off company time.

readflaggedcomm 6y ago
You say private messages, but the BI article posted to HN before (https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-backlash-jewish-employee-termination-2021-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-backlash-je...) calls the communications channel "a Slack group for Jewish employees." GitHub was way out of line viewing and judging these messages. It doesn't matter what happened there. That channel is not for them.
- bArray 6y ago
  > GitHub was way out of line viewing and judging these > messages. It doesn't matter what happened there. That > channel is not for them. I think that really depends on when the employees are using it - if it's on company time then I think GitHub have some right to reprimand people for the use of their time, rather than the content on their messages.
monocasa 6y ago
> I am yet to see evidence of Nazis being at the protests - I don't think anybody openly displaying support for Nazi ideals would find wide support in a pro-America crowd. In this classic picture https://news.yahoo.com/q-shaman-stormed-capitol-upset-192631226.html https://news.yahoo.com/q-shaman-stormed-capitol-upset-192631... the guy in the yellow shirt is Jason Tankersley, founder of the Maryland Skinheads. The guy to his right in the mask is Matthew Heimbach, former leader of the Traditionalist Workers Party (a neo nazi org).
- panny 6y ago
  >the guy in the yellow shirt is Jason Tankersley I believe you have a case of mistaken identity. This article identifies the man as Will Watson from Montgomery. https://www.alreporter.com/2021/01/07/no-this-capitol-insurrectionist-isnt-a-communist-but-he-is-from-alabama/ https://www.alreporter.com/2021/01/07/no-this-capitol-insurr...
davidgerard 6y ago
> I am yet to see evidence of Nazis being at the protests - I don't think anybody openly displaying support for Nazi ideals would find wide support in a pro-America crowd. The "Camp Auschwitz" shirt strikes me as pretty clear.
lreeves 6y ago
There were multiple photos of a man wearing a shirt that said "6MWE" which stands for "Six Million Wasn't Enough", a direct reference to the holocaust. Are you saying you don't believe that sentiment is in line with Nazis? Or do you not believe that this shirt was on display there? https://www.jta.org/2021/01/11/united-states/a-photo-of-an-anti-semitic-shirt-went-viral-after-the-capitol-siege-heres-what-the-people-sharing-it-got-wrong-and-why-it-matters https://www.jta.org/2021/01/11/united-states/a-photo-of-an-a... Edit: And this is one example, if you are truly in the dark about these symbols and what not being on display more examples can be provided but I really would like to know if you've seen this and what you think.
- panny 6y ago
  >There were multiple photos of a man wearing a shirt that said "6MWE" which stands for "Six Million Wasn't Enough" Fact check: Unsubstantiated How do you know that? I ask, because when I search that term on google, I get two things. Mostly unrelated hits on 6mwe crystal structure, and a small number of news articles explaining this term's meaning because of that guy in his shirt. Even if I search 4chan /pol/ archives, the hive of scum and villainy, there are fewer than three pages of hits and the earliest reference to 6mwe is 17 Dec 2020, https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/6mwe/page/3/ https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/6mwe/page/3/ It seems unlikely that anyone standing with that guy would have known what his shirt meant or would share that view. It seems far more likely that this guy is a plant, who is there for the specific purpose of generating those news articles about "evil" Trump supporters. If you have a better source regarding origin and proof of widespread knowledge of that term, feel free to leave that in the comments. Otherwise, let's consider this one debunked.
  - lreeves 6y ago
    >It seems unlikely that anyone standing with that guy would have known what his shirt meant or would share that view. It seems far more likely that this guy is a plant, who is there for the specific purpose of generating those news articles about "evil" Trump supporters. I don't believe we can really discuss things if you believe that people are false flagging in the midst of "normal" Trump supporters that invaded the US Capitol to somehow make them look worse. Additionally, Trump and his supporters have continually failed to eject the worst elements of the group so I fail to see why you believe that these supporters would suddenly draw a line here.
tootie 6y ago
This isn't politics. This is existential. It's only politics when all voices are heard. When a contingent are trying to upend democracy and denigrate entire demographics, then it's no longer an opinion worth respecting and has to be shut down. There has been ample evidence of Nazis and other hate groups in the Capitol riot as there has been in the Trump movement since the start. You've certainly already seen it and are choosing to ignore.
monadic3 6y ago
> I am yet to see evidence of Nazis being at the protests Someone hasn't been looking at tattoos.

by bArray 6y ago

readflaggedcomm 6y ago

You say private messages, but the BI article posted to HN before (https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-backlash-jewish-employee-termination-2021-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-backlash-je...) calls the communications channel "a Slack group for Jewish employees." GitHub was way out of line viewing and judging these messages. It doesn't matter what happened there. That channel is not for them.

bArray 6y ago
> GitHub was way out of line viewing and judging these > messages. It doesn't matter what happened there. That > channel is not for them. I think that really depends on when the employees are using it - if it's on company time then I think GitHub have some right to reprimand people for the use of their time, rather than the content on their messages.

monocasa 6y ago

> I am yet to see evidence of Nazis being at the protests - I don't think anybody openly displaying support for Nazi ideals would find wide support in a pro-America crowd. In this classic picture https://news.yahoo.com/q-shaman-stormed-capitol-upset-192631226.html https://news.yahoo.com/q-shaman-stormed-capitol-upset-192631... the guy in the yellow shirt is Jason Tankersley, founder of the Maryland Skinheads. The guy to his right in the mask is Matthew Heimbach, former leader of the Traditionalist Workers Party (a neo nazi org).

panny 6y ago
>the guy in the yellow shirt is Jason Tankersley I believe you have a case of mistaken identity. This article identifies the man as Will Watson from Montgomery. https://www.alreporter.com/2021/01/07/no-this-capitol-insurrectionist-isnt-a-communist-but-he-is-from-alabama/ https://www.alreporter.com/2021/01/07/no-this-capitol-insurr...

davidgerard 6y ago

> I am yet to see evidence of Nazis being at the protests - I don't think anybody openly displaying support for Nazi ideals would find wide support in a pro-America crowd. The "Camp Auschwitz" shirt strikes me as pretty clear.

lreeves 6y ago

There were multiple photos of a man wearing a shirt that said "6MWE" which stands for "Six Million Wasn't Enough", a direct reference to the holocaust. Are you saying you don't believe that sentiment is in line with Nazis? Or do you not believe that this shirt was on display there? https://www.jta.org/2021/01/11/united-states/a-photo-of-an-anti-semitic-shirt-went-viral-after-the-capitol-siege-heres-what-the-people-sharing-it-got-wrong-and-why-it-matters https://www.jta.org/2021/01/11/united-states/a-photo-of-an-a... Edit: And this is one example, if you are truly in the dark about these symbols and what not being on display more examples can be provided but I really would like to know if you've seen this and what you think.

panny 6y ago
>There were multiple photos of a man wearing a shirt that said "6MWE" which stands for "Six Million Wasn't Enough" Fact check: Unsubstantiated How do you know that? I ask, because when I search that term on google, I get two things. Mostly unrelated hits on 6mwe crystal structure, and a small number of news articles explaining this term's meaning because of that guy in his shirt. Even if I search 4chan /pol/ archives, the hive of scum and villainy, there are fewer than three pages of hits and the earliest reference to 6mwe is 17 Dec 2020, https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/6mwe/page/3/ https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/6mwe/page/3/ It seems unlikely that anyone standing with that guy would have known what his shirt meant or would share that view. It seems far more likely that this guy is a plant, who is there for the specific purpose of generating those news articles about "evil" Trump supporters. If you have a better source regarding origin and proof of widespread knowledge of that term, feel free to leave that in the comments. Otherwise, let's consider this one debunked.
- lreeves 6y ago
  >It seems unlikely that anyone standing with that guy would have known what his shirt meant or would share that view. It seems far more likely that this guy is a plant, who is there for the specific purpose of generating those news articles about "evil" Trump supporters. I don't believe we can really discuss things if you believe that people are false flagging in the midst of "normal" Trump supporters that invaded the US Capitol to somehow make them look worse. Additionally, Trump and his supporters have continually failed to eject the worst elements of the group so I fail to see why you believe that these supporters would suddenly draw a line here.

tootie 6y ago

This isn't politics. This is existential. It's only politics when all voices are heard. When a contingent are trying to upend democracy and denigrate entire demographics, then it's no longer an opinion worth respecting and has to be shut down. There has been ample evidence of Nazis and other hate groups in the Capitol riot as there has been in the Trump movement since the start. You've certainly already seen it and are choosing to ignore.

monadic3 6y ago

> I am yet to see evidence of Nazis being at the protests Someone hasn't been looking at tattoos.