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This whole situation is a great example of why you should avoid politics / politically charged statements in the workplace all around. No one's mind about anyth

This whole situation is a great example of why you should avoid politics / politically charged statements in the workplace all around. No one's mind about anything was fundamentally changed. People got upset and stressed out and wasted a bunch of time. People had their employment status impacted. It was just an overall negative episode. When people say something that is problematic or borderline, the response should be "end the thread" and everyone moves on with their work.

eropple 6y ago
It isn't problematic to note that there are literal-not-figurative Nazis afoot. It is descriptive. How one chooses to respond to that description is telling on oneself. And "see? just don't talk about politics, ignore the literal Nazis" is telling on yourself, too.
- rglover 6y ago
  Can you share an example of where you've seen neo-Nazis recently (like legitimate, swastika-branded Nazis)?
  - progman32 6y ago
    Does this fit the description? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-camp-auschwitz-shirt-photographed-u-s-capitol-riot-arrested-n1254070 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-camp-auschwitz-shir...
    - rglover 6y ago
      I'd say so. How many people like that do you think are bumping around having a meaningful impact on people's belief systems (versus just being ignorant in their own little bubbles)? I ask that because the level of fervor and fear around Nazis these days makes it sound like they're goose-stepping around in large groups.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    In this classic picture https://news.yahoo.com/q-shaman-stormed-capitol-upset-192631226.html https://news.yahoo.com/q-shaman-stormed-capitol-upset-192631... the guy in the yellow shirt is Jason Tankersley, founder of the Maryland Skinheads. The guy to his right in the mask is Matthew Heimbach, former leader of the Traditionalist Workers Party (a neo nazi org).
    - rglover 6y ago
      Do you have any examples aside from this event?
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > Do you have any examples aside from this event? Sure: https://www.adl.org/blog/anti-semitism-on-full-display-in-charlottesville https://www.adl.org/blog/anti-semitism-on-full-display-in-ch... Those goalposts are really on wheels aren't they?
        rglover 6y ago
        No. It’s not a surprise the only other example you could pull is the other one that was pushed by the media relentlessly for years. Anything else? I keep hearing America is a white supremacist country with Nazis everywhere. Where are they? Shouldn’t I see them more often? Why were there so many minorities at Trump rallies who were welcomed and never harmed (myself among them)? Maybe it’s all just a narrative being pushed?
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        Can you find one example? <Example provided> Anything aside from this event? <Another example provided, points to moving goalposts> > It’s not a surprise the only other example you could pull is the other one that was pushed by the media relentlessly for years. Anything else? https://www.13wmaz.com/mobile/article/news/neo-nazi-group-leaves-newnan-burns-swastikas-in-west-georgia/85-544356723 https://www.13wmaz.com/mobile/article/news/neo-nazi-group-le... https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2018/01/osu_student_rep_is_a_nazi-salu.html https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2018/01/os... https://mobile.reuters.com/news/picture/white-nationalists-disrupt-detroit-pride-idUSRTX6YS1D https://mobile.reuters.com/news/picture/white-nationalists-d... But I’m not chasing those goalposts any more.
- CryptoGhost 6y ago
  Your putting words in my mouth. I never suggested that the description was the problematic part. A person can bring up tons of factual things that just stir the political and emotional pot (current events, anniversary of a war or assassination, quoting a politician, quoting current law, bringing up niche holidays, quoting results of research papers, etc, etc). The fact of the matter is that a company chat channel is best served as not being a police blotter,a history book,a memorial site, Wikipedia, the news feed of media outlet, or many other things that are still in realm of descriptive facts.
458aperta 6y ago
So we can't even mention that Allies fought Nazis because somebody can suffer from mental anguish at hearing those very words? Do you understand how totalitarianism starts? It begins with banning words.

eropple 6y ago

It isn't problematic to note that there are literal-not-figurative Nazis afoot. It is descriptive. How one chooses to respond to that description is telling on oneself. And "see? just don't talk about politics, ignore the literal Nazis" is telling on yourself, too.

rglover 6y ago
Can you share an example of where you've seen neo-Nazis recently (like legitimate, swastika-branded Nazis)?
- progman32 6y ago
  Does this fit the description? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-camp-auschwitz-shirt-photographed-u-s-capitol-riot-arrested-n1254070 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-camp-auschwitz-shir...
  - rglover 6y ago
    I'd say so. How many people like that do you think are bumping around having a meaningful impact on people's belief systems (versus just being ignorant in their own little bubbles)? I ask that because the level of fervor and fear around Nazis these days makes it sound like they're goose-stepping around in large groups.
- monocasa 6y ago
  In this classic picture https://news.yahoo.com/q-shaman-stormed-capitol-upset-192631226.html https://news.yahoo.com/q-shaman-stormed-capitol-upset-192631... the guy in the yellow shirt is Jason Tankersley, founder of the Maryland Skinheads. The guy to his right in the mask is Matthew Heimbach, former leader of the Traditionalist Workers Party (a neo nazi org).
  - rglover 6y ago
    Do you have any examples aside from this event?
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > Do you have any examples aside from this event? Sure: https://www.adl.org/blog/anti-semitism-on-full-display-in-charlottesville https://www.adl.org/blog/anti-semitism-on-full-display-in-ch... Those goalposts are really on wheels aren't they?
      - rglover 6y ago
        No. It’s not a surprise the only other example you could pull is the other one that was pushed by the media relentlessly for years. Anything else? I keep hearing America is a white supremacist country with Nazis everywhere. Where are they? Shouldn’t I see them more often? Why were there so many minorities at Trump rallies who were welcomed and never harmed (myself among them)? Maybe it’s all just a narrative being pushed?
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        Can you find one example? <Example provided> Anything aside from this event? <Another example provided, points to moving goalposts> > It’s not a surprise the only other example you could pull is the other one that was pushed by the media relentlessly for years. Anything else? https://www.13wmaz.com/mobile/article/news/neo-nazi-group-leaves-newnan-burns-swastikas-in-west-georgia/85-544356723 https://www.13wmaz.com/mobile/article/news/neo-nazi-group-le... https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2018/01/osu_student_rep_is_a_nazi-salu.html https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2018/01/os... https://mobile.reuters.com/news/picture/white-nationalists-disrupt-detroit-pride-idUSRTX6YS1D https://mobile.reuters.com/news/picture/white-nationalists-d... But I’m not chasing those goalposts any more.
CryptoGhost 6y ago
Your putting words in my mouth. I never suggested that the description was the problematic part. A person can bring up tons of factual things that just stir the political and emotional pot (current events, anniversary of a war or assassination, quoting a politician, quoting current law, bringing up niche holidays, quoting results of research papers, etc, etc). The fact of the matter is that a company chat channel is best served as not being a police blotter,a history book,a memorial site, Wikipedia, the news feed of media outlet, or many other things that are still in realm of descriptive facts.

458aperta 6y ago

So we can't even mention that Allies fought Nazis because somebody can suffer from mental anguish at hearing those very words? Do you understand how totalitarianism starts? It begins with banning words.