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> nationalism of any kind is one of the most pernicious scourges on humanity...That's not nationalism. I would suggest instead of using an `-ism` just say what
by robin21 6y ago
> nationalism of any kind is one of the most pernicious scourges on humanity...That's not nationalism.
I would suggest instead of using an `-ism` just say what you mean. It just leads to needless arguments otherwise.
X are Ys. Ys believe Z. Therefore Xs believe Z.
The fallacy is that not all X's believe Z, but painting everyone with the same brush is a much easier way to channel one's anger.
You inflame the discussion when you say "whatever the flavor" and "of any kind", because there are clearly many kinds and different interpretations as exemplified in this discussion.
Also try the definition from Wikipedia:
> Nationalism is an idea and movement that promotes the interests of a particular nation (as in a group of people), especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland.
Seems to counter your definition quite extensively, which is why I direct you back to my original suggestion.
- datameta 6y agoYou manage to focus on the language of the message and attempt to use that to dispel the messenger's argument without addressing it? If we talk about the content here - what is being mentioned is the existence of a historical precedent in which those calling themselves nationalist are hateful toward the minority and supportive of selective homogeneity of the population - which is commonly accompanied with segregation, oppression, and violence.
- robin21 6y ago> those calling themselves nationalist are hateful toward the minority and supportive of selective homogeneity of the population This is a much better claim for debate because we can now review all those who self-identify as nationalist and see if they were all hateful. But it’s a completely different topic than was posted.