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I really want an e-ink (I mean an e-ink-only, not a dual-screen Lenovo ThinkBook) laptop. And I want it monochrome, low-refresh, no-clutter lo-fi. Rich colour,

I really want an e-ink (I mean an e-ink-only, not a dual-screen Lenovo ThinkBook) laptop. And I want it monochrome, low-refresh, no-clutter lo-fi. Rich colour, high refresh rates? No, thank you, I appreciate the mental silence classic e-ink devices provide. Just give me a reMarkable with a keyboard, capable to run a terminal and something like Emacs with org-roam.

patothon 6y ago
how do you type with low refresh screen?
- qwerty456127 6y ago
  I never tried to actually type, only to enter words letter-by-letter with a stylus (on a PocketBook). Obviously I would prefer it to be fast enough to handle typing but I don't want dynamic visual effects which modern UI/web designers consider a norm and I don't need it to play realtime games or videos.
- Groxx 6y ago
  Most refresh times that are listed are for "full" refreshes, not specific state-to-state timings, specific color transitions can be MUCH faster. This is how the reMarkable achieves its low latency drawing (around 21ms for white to black), which it can do for the whole screen, not just a sub-section. Other specific shade transitions can also be quick, it depends on the details. But it's more than fast enough for typing purposes, your current keyboard-to-display latency stands a decent chance of being higher. The tradeoff is that continually doing those faster transitions gradually accumulates errors, i.e. ghosting. Which is why e-readers tend to do a few pages of fast changes, then do a full refresh to clear things out (or before/after an image is shown). Fast-transition latency beyond something like 50-100ms from button-press to page-turn nowadays is almost exclusively due to software on the device, not the screen.
lightdot 6y ago
reMarkable 2 has pogo pins for the second USB at the left side, and that one supports a keyboard just fine. Terminal and emacs aren't there out of the box, but can be added. A really nice and quite hackable writing/reading device...
- qwerty456127 6y ago
  That's great but I actually want the keyboard to be an integral part of the chassis rather than a separate thing to carry with me and put on a table. Like in classic laptops or like in Lenovo Yoga. This way I would also be able to type the classic laptop way - putting it on my laps when in public transport.
jodrellblank 6y ago
Can basically do that with an old Kindle 3 keyboard for about $40 on eBay - https://blog.rot13.org/2011/12/03/kindle-k3g-myts-6.jpg https://blog.rot13.org/2011/12/03/kindle-k3g-myts-6.jpg https://blog.rot13.org/2011/12/liberate-your-kindle-3-and-get-full-screen-terminal.html https://blog.rot13.org/2011/12/liberate-your-kindle-3-and-ge... https://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/kindle-root https://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/kindle-root
itronitron 6y ago
I think I read a blog a few years ago about someone replacing the display in their laptop with an e-ink monitor but I'm having trouble tracking down the link. This might be of interest however... https://dasung-tech.myshopify.com/ https://dasung-tech.myshopify.com/
- tyler109 6y ago
  Check this forum: http://forum.ei2030.org http://forum.ei2030.org
edeion 6y ago
The closest I can think of is the Hemingwrite typewriter which has an e-ink display and is portable in some sense. At $342, I hope it's more than a toy. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/astrohaus/hemingwrite-a-distraction-free-digital-typewriter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/astrohaus/hemingwrite-a... Edit: oops! They have a new website and a new product that fits your request more closely. https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler But that's really a typewriter. Which is somehow good if you just want text, not code. And here's the problem: these things belong to consumer segments so narrow that I don't see them getting the attention I'd like.

patothon 6y ago

how do you type with low refresh screen?

qwerty456127 6y ago
I never tried to actually type, only to enter words letter-by-letter with a stylus (on a PocketBook). Obviously I would prefer it to be fast enough to handle typing but I don't want dynamic visual effects which modern UI/web designers consider a norm and I don't need it to play realtime games or videos.
Groxx 6y ago
Most refresh times that are listed are for "full" refreshes, not specific state-to-state timings, specific color transitions can be MUCH faster. This is how the reMarkable achieves its low latency drawing (around 21ms for white to black), which it can do for the whole screen, not just a sub-section. Other specific shade transitions can also be quick, it depends on the details. But it's more than fast enough for typing purposes, your current keyboard-to-display latency stands a decent chance of being higher. The tradeoff is that continually doing those faster transitions gradually accumulates errors, i.e. ghosting. Which is why e-readers tend to do a few pages of fast changes, then do a full refresh to clear things out (or before/after an image is shown). Fast-transition latency beyond something like 50-100ms from button-press to page-turn nowadays is almost exclusively due to software on the device, not the screen.

lightdot 6y ago

reMarkable 2 has pogo pins for the second USB at the left side, and that one supports a keyboard just fine. Terminal and emacs aren't there out of the box, but can be added. A really nice and quite hackable writing/reading device...

qwerty456127 6y ago
That's great but I actually want the keyboard to be an integral part of the chassis rather than a separate thing to carry with me and put on a table. Like in classic laptops or like in Lenovo Yoga. This way I would also be able to type the classic laptop way - putting it on my laps when in public transport.

jodrellblank 6y ago

Can basically do that with an old Kindle 3 keyboard for about $40 on eBay - https://blog.rot13.org/2011/12/03/kindle-k3g-myts-6.jpg https://blog.rot13.org/2011/12/03/kindle-k3g-myts-6.jpg https://blog.rot13.org/2011/12/liberate-your-kindle-3-and-get-full-screen-terminal.html https://blog.rot13.org/2011/12/liberate-your-kindle-3-and-ge... https://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/kindle-root https://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/kindle-root

itronitron 6y ago

I think I read a blog a few years ago about someone replacing the display in their laptop with an e-ink monitor but I'm having trouble tracking down the link. This might be of interest however... https://dasung-tech.myshopify.com/ https://dasung-tech.myshopify.com/

tyler109 6y ago
Check this forum: http://forum.ei2030.org http://forum.ei2030.org

edeion 6y ago

The closest I can think of is the Hemingwrite typewriter which has an e-ink display and is portable in some sense. At $342, I hope it's more than a toy. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/astrohaus/hemingwrite-a-distraction-free-digital-typewriter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/astrohaus/hemingwrite-a... Edit: oops! They have a new website and a new product that fits your request more closely. https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler But that's really a typewriter. Which is somehow good if you just want text, not code. And here's the problem: these things belong to consumer segments so narrow that I don't see them getting the attention I'd like.